Neil walked?

[CDS]

Have only skimmed over previous posts so apologies if I'm repeating what's already been said.

Agree with others that if he's a good worker he's worth the money but on the flip side do you have any grief from him? Timekeeping. work quality, manners etc? Are you hacked off because he stitched you up or because you've lost a good 'un?

Sounds to me like he's had a barny with the new missus and is on a downer. Personally if he was any good I'd be buying him a beer and negotiating a compromise? i.e tiered pay rises, bonuses, performance related pay or some sort of other incentives that don't actually mean giving a weekly payrise (e.g a £100 a month good work bonus is better for you than giving a £40 pw payrise)

....And if he's only borderline then it gives you the opportunity to get someone else in.....

 

[kilty55]

look at it from another angle,if he had a job in tesco and he stormed out the shop then called the manager and demanded an extra 110 quid a week would he get it......would he ....:svengo:

 

[SandyFloor]

You mentioned the army. My stepson (18 now) joined the army last year and the salary for a young guy is very attractive. However, If I remember correctly, apprentice tilers don't get sent to war zones and run the risk of being shot or blown up. Ross is off to Afghanistan in a few weeks and his mother's already in a state. That might explain your lad's mother's reaction.

 

[marbleman]

i agree with sandyfloor , its a mum thing , but i know your running a business diamond and its no accuse for him walking off , but 2 years of your time must count for something just thing about it good luck as and the end of the day its what you think that matters

 

[mikethetile]

this mare hes picked up with will lose a lot of benefits if he spends too much time at her house, so shes probably giving him grief about money, he either gets a payrise or stays away at night

have a chat with him and find out whats at the back of this

 

[Daz]

Apologies, as I've only skimmed this thread, but I side with CDS. If you feel that he is worth something to you, then take him back but structure his pay rise in the form of a bonus structure.

Set him targets where he can earn more money based on an improved performance that, conversely, earns you more money. It's a win win .

 

[Colour Republic]

Low? how do you work that out Rob?

Sorry Dom, went to cook, (Chicken Milanese if you're interested:lol

I wasn't having a dig, I just thought that seemed like a low wage to me for a 20 year old that had 2 years experience under his belt. I don't condone walking out, EVER!. In fact, and this will make you laugh, when I was placed in his position many years ago, I recruited a mate of mine to work for my boss, then walked, just so he wouldn't been inconvienced. The guy I got to take my place is still in the trade...and now works for me, but I digress...

It's all very well relating it to minimum wage but this guy must have to work harder than somebody stacking shelves who can go home at the end of the day and not give a toss as to the running of a company. You say that you buy him breakfast every day, what does this cost you £4 a day? when you only earn what he does then giving him that £4 extra a day (he can bring sandwiches) it accounts to nearly an extra 10% a week for him.

If he's a good lad i'd keep him, you don't have to give him a pay rise but maybe as has been mentioned before, set him targets with bonuses. Give him hope and a way forward.

If you are training somebody up and it cost you time and money then that should be reflected in their money but there hits a point where you have to up their money, which pays them what they are worth. Otherwise somebody else benefits from you training them up, as they get a ready made worker.

It must be said that 14 years ago I used to get paid £30 a day, out of that £30 I had to buy a train ticket to London and my own lunch, this cost £15 a day! I still did it as I needed the money but man did it hurt that I knew they were charging me out at £120 a day, I didn't expect anywhere near that but there came a time where I could no longer survive on the money.

 

[united]

There are so many people out there that would jump at the chance to work for at that wage and especially the way the job market is, he is out of order demanding more money (fair enough if he had asked) and you are better off without him mate

 

[Pebbs]

Whats up with you men! your begining to think like women or something?! Whats with this soppy talk....ohh if hes a good worker.....if hes worth his wages, the fact remains, he walked of site without a word, leaving someone to clear up the mess! Then rings and says he wants an increase of 75%! No no no!
We've all been through hardship when learning this trade, we've all had to take crap on jobs, got out of bed for work when we've been ill, and we stuck at it. If he thinks he can get that kind of money someplace else let him go! Stop all this mollycoddling talk, and Hillhead has a point, yes 9/10 there is normally a woman behind it, and if shes putting him up to this, then why doesnt she get of her lazy behind and instead of churning out kids like a reject from the Jeremy Kyle show, and go get a job herself?
This lad needs to see what its like out there in the 'real world' if you take him back, your being held to ransom. Did he give a second thought to you having to clean up all the buckets and stuff...no he did not! Im fed up with sob stories about how kids are having it tough out there, we've all had it tough....end of story.

Stick to your guns, and find yourself a good lad who really wants to learn and stick at it....(and while your at it find me one to!).

Sorry to rant, but Ive been there, and its a thorn in my side.

Pebbs

 

[davy_G]

I would look at it from a business point of view. Is he good to have employed?
Does he make you money? Is he worth having? Can you make more money with or without him?
After you answer that and you decide you need someone, then decide if its him and speak to him to resolve HIS problems. Negotiate a bonus scheme based on productive hours or output. Thats how you earn your money and the sonner he grasps the fact that he only has a job because you work hard to keep him in work!
Maybe a new man/boy might be the way forward as he might just walk again after all the effort!

I got my cousins lad a job with a plumber, serving his time. The plumber gave him 20 quid a week for a 3 day week. Other 2 days in college. He worked him from 8am to often after 8 and asked him to come in Sats with no more money.
I had a word with the plumber whos attitude was the lad should be grateful of the experience. I said he was taking the **** and I got the lad a start with another of my plumbers, still only gets 20 quid a week but if he works late he goes onto a low hourly rate and comes with me on Sats when i need a hand out. I pay him in a day what he makes in a month...but he has to graft for it!

So look out for your business first, your not a charity but everyone needs to be treated fairly, including you by your workers

 

[Saltire69]

Lots of good points there Dom, for bothsides. Bottom line is, what if he had cost you a big contract by walking off the job? Could you afford that.

If he's done it once he can do it again and it might cost you the next time.

 

[diamondtiling]

Whats up with you men! your begining to think like women or something?! Whats with this soppy talk....ohh if hes a good worker.....if hes worth his wages, the fact remains, he walked of site without a word, leaving someone to clear up the mess! Then rings and says he wants an increase of 75%! No no no!
We've all been through hardship when learning this trade, we've all had to take crap on jobs, got out of bed for work when we've been ill, and we stuck at it. If he thinks he can get that kind of money someplace else let him go! Stop all this mollycoddling talk, and Hillhead has a point, yes 9/10 there is normally a woman behind it, and if shes putting him up to this, then why doesnt she get of her lazy behind and instead of churning out kids like a reject from the Jeremy Kyle show, and go get a job herself?
This lad needs to see what its like out there in the 'real world' if you take him back, your being held to ransom. Did he give a second thought to you having to clean up all the buckets and stuff...no he did not! Im fed up with sob stories about how kids are having it tough out there, we've all had it tough....end of story.

Stick to your guns, and find yourself a good lad who really wants to learn and stick at it....(and while your at it find me one to!).

Sorry to rant, but Ive been there, and its a thorn in my side.

Pebbs

Just summed it up perfectly Pebbs.

 

[mikethetile]

im sorry you think we are a bunch of old women Lynn for wanting Dom to give the lad another chance

when I was a lad I was a grafter and earned my place on the crew, I would have worked for nothing just to be there every day but as it was I earned the same as the long experianced hands. the only ones that objected were the the other young lads that were learning. I took great delight in winding them up and telling them I was worth the money and they werent and to get off their butts and work for it

my governer used to laugh but one day he sat me down and told me I see everything as black and white because im young and have no resposibilities but as you get older everything becomes grey and you see things differently

how right he was, find out whats wrong with him and if hes a lost cause cut him free, you have a business to run. if its down to money pay him what hes worth, if your leaving him on jobs then pay him for the responsibility but you expect the job done right and completed in time, its the way we all learnt

 

[jay]

Whats up with you men! your begining to think like women or something?! Whats with this soppy talk....ohh if hes a good worker.....if hes worth his wages, the fact remains, he walked of site without a word, leaving someone to clear up the mess! Then rings and says he wants an increase of 75%! No no no!
We've all been through hardship when learning this trade, we've all had to take crap on jobs, got out of bed for work when we've been ill, and we stuck at it. If he thinks he can get that kind of money someplace else let him go! Stop all this mollycoddling talk, and Hillhead has a point, yes 9/10 there is normally a woman behind it, and if shes putting him up to this, then why doesnt she get of her lazy behind and instead of churning out kids like a reject from the Jeremy Kyle show, and go get a job herself?
This lad needs to see what its like out there in the 'real world' if you take him back, your being held to ransom. Did he give a second thought to you having to clean up all the buckets and stuff...no he did not! Im fed up with sob stories about how kids are having it tough out there, we've all had it tough....end of story.

Stick to your guns, and find yourself a good lad who really wants to learn and stick at it....(and while your at it find me one to!).

Sorry to rant, but Ive been there, and its a thorn in my side.

Pebbs

Pebbs think you hit the nail on the head couldnt of put it better

 

[Perry]

If he earns his money negotiate sort term if you need him, then drop him when you don't need him show him the same respect would you drive off for the night and leave him on a job and not tell him ?