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Gazzer

So what do you do when they say they're getting 2 or 3 quotes? I can't see how I can "nail it there and then " when they more often than not they say that to me.Well thats why you have to give them a good price to start with
Are you saying you go in there with your tape measure and calculator and work out the sq. meterage work out a price and give it to them there and then? Yeah i do as long as its not to complicated.
Do you take a price list for materials? I have a list of the main materials i use but not tiles so i can get close to the price

Sorry to hear about the work situation but i am not far from you ( Stourbridge) and have been tiling for 31 years. I wish i could get your prices, I do sometimes but i would rather drop prices when work is in short supply. I sub contract too, so i dont keep all my eggs in the same basket so to speak.
I work for private, Bathroom and kitchen companies, Shop Fitters (i travel all over), Plumbers and Builders.
All the best.
 
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davy_G

So what do you do when they say they're getting 2 or 3 quotes? I can't see how I can "nail it there and then " when they more often than not they say that to me. Are you saying you go in there with your tape measure and calculator and work out the sq. meterage work out a price and give it to them there and then?
Do you take a price list for materials?

Fair point Sibs. If they say they are getting a few quotes and you are not hearing back then call them as suggested and see if it was price that was beating yours. If so tell them good luck with the job but you still couldnt have quoted any cheeper for the quality of work you do. Thay might think a little about that.

Arrange to call them in a week or call back a week after quoting and if it is price you are loosing work then negotiate slightly but you still have to eat so dont drop like a stone. If i know someone else is quoting and i am busy i quote high as i dont need the work but vica verca if im quiet i will work for 80 quid a day to get a break-i have to eat as well.

I always go in with a measuring tape and use my mobiles calculator and can usually give a price within 10 minutes of looking at a job and discussing trims/boarders and problems with clients. Infact once you get used to it you can look at a room and know how long it will take and price accordingly, i use the tape to let them know what area of tiles to get.

I know roughly what materails cost but in Norn Iron people buy their own and i tell them to use my discount (40%) at my friendly tile shop. Then i know what im getting anyway. Or if i have to get them i just tell them they will pay me what i pay.

It gets easier once you are established as you may well be the only person quoting and as you have been recommended they actually want you to do the work. Stick with it, it can be slow to start with and takes alot of good jobs behind you before the odd referral comes through.
 
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strongboes

Sibs, why do you need to work out the meterage? I only do this if they need to know for buying tiles e.t.c

Full bathrooms on the whole take 3 to 4 days depending on size. So you know it's £450 - £600 before you even get there!

If your supplying adhesive trims e.t.c then just say price of items and say you'll use about x of these and x of this so will be about 80 quid or whatever for materials.

imo working out the metre and applying a price is the wrong way to go about it, ask them what they want, then look at each wall one at a time and think, how long will it take to do that? allocate it in 1/2 day blocks, then add another 1/2 a day for grouting and that's it.

As for giving your price when your not there then thats a big no no for me, if they dont like the price then thats that, you cant negotiate or explain why you are quoting your price, sale lost.

I know within the first 2 mins of being in a bathroom what my price is, from then on it's a question of gauging whether it's going to cost you more time or less depending on what they are telling you.

On monday I have 13 bathrooms to price all the same for the same developer, I already know that this price will be at least 30% less than a private customer, this developer goes only on price so I will have to put in my minimum, that if i get it, will i be pissed off doing them for that price? If you understand. But then on the upside i will have benefits of all the same so after first one should be flying!

Sorry if this has gone on a little long!
 
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davy_G

Sibs, why do you need to work out the meterage? I only do this if they need to know for buying tiles e.t.c

Full bathrooms on the whole take 3 to 4 days depending on size. So you know it's £450 - £600 before you even get there!

If your supplying adhesive trims e.t.c then just say price of items and say you'll use about x of these and x of this so will be about 80 quid or whatever for materials.

imo working out the metre and applying a price is the wrong way to go about it, ask them what they want, then look at each wall one at a time and think, how long will it take to do that? allocate it in 1/2 day blocks, then add another 1/2 a day for grouting and that's it.

As for giving your price when your not there then thats a big no no for me, if they dont like the price then thats that, you cant negotiate or explain why you are quoting your price, sale lost.

I know within the first 2 mins of being in a bathroom what my price is, from then on it's a question of gauging whether it's going to cost you more time or less depending on what they are telling you.

On monday I have 13 bathrooms to price all the same for the same developer, I already know that this price will be at least 30% less than a private customer, this developer goes only on price so I will have to put in my minimum, that if i get it, will i be pissed off doing them for that price? If you understand. But then on the upside i will have benefits of all the same so after first one should be flying!

Sorry if this has gone on a little long!

Im afraid i agree again. Decide what you need to work for, evaluate work and nail it there and then. If they think its too much consider how busy or not you are. Can you work for £50 a day or better to stay in bed. Only you can answer that. Big repeat jobs are guaranteed work and money, sites only involve one setting out per set of houses but you will not get £35 per m2.

You decide. In my opinion its better to be working for £50 a day than lying in bed. This doesnt do our trade any justice or be fair to my coleagues but if i have no work then as i have said i have to eat. This is how i started out and as i was alot slower than the pros i wasnt doing them any harm.
 
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White Room

dont know how you can miss something on a job when you are there looking at it. if other tilers are quoting the job and give a price there and then chances are they will get the job rather than the customer waiting days for a price

You can't judge a book by it's cover and believe me many a time everythink look's great until you turn up and they forgot to mention this, that and the other and yes people do wait for quote's and I still get the job although 70% are recommendation the rest thru plumber's and other tradesmen
 
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Raja

You can't judge a book by it's cover and believe me many a time everythink look's great until you turn up and they forgot to mention this, that and the other and yes people do wait for quote's and I still get the job although 70% are recommendation the rest thru plumber's and other tradesmen

very true words:thumbsup:
 
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sibs

On my quotes I state that if I come across any problems that require additional work and expenditure once I have started a job I will discuss it in full with them to decide on the best course of action.
This is to cover myself should I discover any nasties like the walls under existing tiles being shot or some other such hidden problem. Do you think this statement puts them off? Maybe they think Ihave put it in to invent more work and get more money out of them?
 
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davy_G

It might put them off. But if you explain why you are saying it and word it a bit different like you are doing them a favour....ie 'on a recent job when the tiles where removed the plaster was in too bad a state to tile onto (not that you actually pulled it off as well) and the walls needed reskimmed/filled/repaired. This meant extra materials/time etc to do the job right.
State that you can only quote for the work you see and time spent preping is at XX per hr or day. Maybe they are prepared to remove old tiles and see for themselves it isnt alot of fun. You might have to reboard or fill/plaster but at least they are involved and can see it is not straightforward.

Oh one last thing about some previous posts i made, if you dont give a price there and then there is no way you can win the job. At least if you price it then you get that chance. Only a thought but good luck anyway
 
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strongboes

Well i mentioned in an earlier post that i had 13 bathrooms to price today, well it turns out that it wasn't 13, it was actually 23. Also it's not just bathrooms it's bathroom, wc room and kitchen. I asked them how many quotes they would be getting in and they said just mine and the job was mine if the price was right. Agreed on a price of 1157 per unit and it's 5 days for each one so i am now booked up for 30 weeks!! They also said there would be another 20 of various configurations to do after these. So i'm a little chuffed tonight!

Sibs hang in there, dont over complicate things which i think you are doing, I wouldn't put clauses in residential jobs personally. Over a 6 month period it will all balance itself out, you'll get one that you barely break even on and you'll get others where you clear £300+ a day. Try quoting your price there and then and try and seal the deal. Trust me don't worry about pricing wrongly, you have to price jobs wrong or you wont learn. You dont learn from the ones you quote well for, you learn from the ones you price wrongly and end up spending more time than you wanted. Thats when something clicks and you know you wont make that mistake again!

Good luck
 

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