Should We Used Old Methods For Todays Problems

[Spare Tool]

'conformity is the jailer of freedom' my friend

I guess if it all goes for a sh*t then it'll be down to me BUT and its the old cliche' that everyone loves...'been doing it that way for years and never had a problem' and I think in this instance compared to floating ply(and no I havn't a clue why) but think there's far less chance of a problem occuring, I mean really 'what could go wrong'
Ran my suggestions by the site manager on this one and he agrees with me, think it'd be wise to get that call in writing.

 

[Old Mod]

'conformity is the jailer of freedom' my friend

I guess if it all goes for a sh*t then it'll be down to me BUT and its the old cliche' that everyone loves...'been doing it that way for years and never had a problem' and I think in this instance compared to floating ply(and no I havn't a clue why) but think there's far less chance of a problem occuring, I mean really 'what could go wrong'
Ran my suggestions by the site manager on this one and he agrees with me, think it'd be wise to get that call in writing.

Yeah not trying to freak u out or anything, just genuinely interested. It's a bit of a quandary for sure.
I'd be genuinely interested how u get on with this one, to see if anyone will stand by their method and give u a written method statement, not so sure that'll happen tho
Thanks for the info so far, it's been interesting.

 

[Spare Tool]

I'll try and get some sort of disclaimer in writing off somebody...hopefully
I'd be interested on Bri's take on this as he did mention in another post this is also a method he uses..
Bri??

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

Get your point totally Ray...i make dam near all my profit on labour and only add about 20% to trade price on materials I supply. I supply good quality materials at a price a lot cheaper than the customer can buy them without a trade account, if you've ever bought from tile giant they mark up customer prices by going on 100% so through me they save 80% and it's the customer that's paying in the end not me.
Am certainly not having a go or trinna get your back up regarding profit to cost, I'm genuinely interested on your take on it... so if your supplying the sand/cement etc how can you mark that up to turn out more of a profit than I do on a bag of rapid set or leveller, to me your not gonna make any more in materials than I do? Your just simply doing the job far more cheaper than I would be yet still probably making roughly the same in labour..

Get your point totally Ray...i make dam near all my profit on labour and only add about 20% to trade price on materials I supply. I supply good quality materials at a price a lot cheaper than the customer can buy them without a trade account, if you've ever bought from tile giant they mark up customer prices by going on 100% so through me they save 80% and it's the customer that's paying in the end not me.
Am certainly not having a go or trinna get your back up regarding profit to cost, I'm genuinely interested on your take on it... so if your supplying the sand/cement etc how can you mark that up to turn out more of a profit than I do on a bag of rapid set or leveller, to me your not gonna make any more in materials than I do? Your just simply doing the job far more cheaper than I would be yet still probably making roughly the same in labour..

I'm sure its a lot more expensive, I know what I pay a bag and get roughly 1-1.5 sqm at 10mm out of a bag of leveller. never bought or priced up or screeded with S&C. sure Ray will better advise on that..

it should work out about £6.30 m2 including sand cement adhesive slurry cement sbr at 65mm deep depends on your discounts

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

listern tilers have been used as test dummys for years bring out a new product test in lab bring to site until the tilers have worked it out how it realy works it destroys some along the way but they dont care your just anther test dummy lambs to the slauter i was asked about this kind of lay the other day and sat down with the client and told him this was still in the learning prosese lucky he sell a lot of the products you use day to day so new what i was telling him so any way he is going to lay 120 m2 of flooring straight on these pipes so this is what we decided would be the best test

1 laytex over the piping with fibra renifoced laytex securing the piping and filling in the voids bring in flush with the pipe inlay

2 cover with a decoupler

3 laytex over decouplar with fibra reninfoced laytex 8 to 10 mm

4 now cover with decouplar again

5 now fix tiles with flexable adhesive

6 the thinking behind this is that it allows movement between the pipes the laytex and the tiles
we all agree that this is a £9000 exsperament but he wants to know as much as me will this work

 

[Spare Tool]

listern tilers have been used as test dummys for years bring out a new product test in lab bring to site until the tilers have worked it out how it realy works it destroys some along the way but they dont care your just anther test dummy lambs to the slauter i was asked about this kind of lay the other day and sat down with the client and told him this was still in the learning prosese lucky he sell a lot of the products you use day to day so new what i was telling him so any way he is going to lay 120 m2 of flooring straight on these pipes so this is what we decided would be the best test

1 laytex over the piping with fibra renifoced laytex securing the piping and filling in the voids bring in flush with the pipe inlay

2 cover with a decoupler

3 laytex over decouplar with fibra reninfoced laytex 8 to 10 mm

4 now cover with decouplar again

5 now fix tiles with flexable adhesive

6 the thinking behind this is that it allows movement between the pipes the laytex and the tiles
we all agree that this is a £9000 exsperament but he wants to know as much as me will this work

Wow...some prep there, if that fails we're all doomed. Think that'll answer the original question though 'should we use old methods.....' answer NO

 

[Dan]

I'll try and get some sort of disclaimer in writing off somebody...hopefully
I'd be interested on Bri's take on this as he did mention in another post this is also a method he uses..
Bri??

You can Bri in a post by using the @ sign at the front of his name. @Bri.

 

[Dan]

listern tilers have been used as test dummys for years bring out a new product test in lab bring to site until the tilers have worked it out how it realy works it destroys some along the way but they dont care your just anther test dummy lambs to the slauter i was asked about this kind of lay the other day and sat down with the client and told him this was still in the learning prosese lucky he sell a lot of the products you use day to day so new what i was telling him so any way he is going to lay 120 m2 of flooring straight on these pipes so this is what we decided would be the best test

1 laytex over the piping with fibra renifoced laytex securing the piping and filling in the voids bring in flush with the pipe inlay

2 cover with a decoupler

3 laytex over decouplar with fibra reninfoced laytex 8 to 10 mm

4 now cover with decouplar again

5 now fix tiles with flexable adhesive

6 the thinking behind this is that it allows movement between the pipes the laytex and the tiles
we all agree that this is a £9000 exsperament but he wants to know as much as me will this work

Christ. Fair test that is!

What decoupler brand are you using?

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

Wow...some prep there, if that fails we're all doomed. Think that'll answer the original question though 'should we use old methods.....' answer NO

well this does not answer that question here we are keeping the hight to the minim but allowing maxinam cost £40 m2 surplied and fitted including labour 2 decouplars adhesive for tiles and laytex but not tile fixing against £6,20 m2 all in not including labour i think the real question has just been answered any one that does not understand the answer is just a money making machine for all your surpliers

 

[Ajax123]

There is no truth to the rumour that we are going to dye the screeds red. One manufacturer has begun supplying coloured screeds, they have a red one and a green one and are soon to have a blue one. Problem is this is cost inhibitive for the manufacturers in general so it will not spread to all screeds.