Shower enclosure problems

[kilty55]

has the tray been sealed can i ask?

 

[Stewart]

Were the vertical bar meets the base channel looks like a pool of water running back to the corner

That looks like a reflection from the screen to me Jay.....


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[jay]

could be

 

[jay]

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[Mike]

I've looked at the photo's a few times over and i have to ask the question. The tiles are cut down to the tray aren't they? Or were the walls done first and the tray pushed into the corner? The photo to, unless it's my eyes playing me up looks like it's the later.

the tray was fitted first but the op has said the tiles were cut tight to the tray so no gap for silicon to get in

 

[Perry]

have you checked its not seeping through the door seal ?

 

[AliGage]

Have i got this right, all the red arrows etc are dry areas? Yet it gets wet on the floor outside the tray where the wall meets the floor? Looking at the left hand side/corner in the picture above you can almost distinguish the rounded corner of the tray mould.

I'd place a small wager on the walls and possibly floor being tiled first and the tray being puched into the corner and sealed. Waters running into the crase around the tray inside the enclosure and seeping ot between the tray and tiled wall.

 

[AliGage]

the tray was fitted first but the op has said the tiles were cut tight to the tray so no gap for silicon to get in

I just saw your reply Mike after i posted the reply above. I'm not convinced. I can't see anyway of water getting out the cubicle without coming through any of the sealant. He says from the picture that all his silicone is dry. Head scratcher....

Was the walls grouted before the enclosure went up, or after the enclosure went up??

 

[jay]

surely that's water marked in dark blue

 

[AliGage]

That was my first thought Jay but Sadtaed says his silicone on the outside of the tray and enclosure is dry. So i would say it's not water on the tray.

 

[Stewart]

That's defo a reflection... Imo


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[jay]

Nah think its water

 

[Perry]

was the sower tray sealed before the door went on like there was some times its not sealed under the frame

 

[Qwerty]

Whereabouts in the uk are you sedated? I would pop round to have a look if you were local

 

[Sedated]

Thanks for all the replys.
The tray went down first then tiled up to it, walls and floor.
That is not water on the outside of the tray its a reflection.
Im sure now that water is getting behind the frame into the upright area and coming through the wall there. The gap between tiled wall and tray was very small, probably less than a millimeter and I think with the tray flexing its broke the seal and water is finding its way behind the tile and showing on the floor through the grout.

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[Sedated]

was the sower tray sealed before the door went on like there was some times its not sealed under the frame

The first time the frame went up there was no siliconing between the tiles and tray. leaving the bit behind the upright open after siliconing inside between tiles and tray.
Got fitter back to take out shower then sealed that bit behind upright. But because the gap was less than 1mm I think it has failed.

 

[jay]

Bugger

 

[Mike]

as blocko says maybe you could get a decent tiler on here to take a closer inspection before you do anything drastic, whereabouts are you?

 

[Sedated]

Thats an idea mike but without removing the shower enclosure theres nothing to see. spraying water in the corner makes it obvious that water is getting out!

BTW Huddersfield, West yorks

 

[Sedated]

The fitter did suggest I silicone this bit (blue) but surely the water will get in further down (Where red arrow is pointing) , and still find its way into the wall? Following the path of the red arrows. Is this bad advise?

 

[Perry]

Whereabouts in the uk are you sedated? I would pop round to have a look if you were local

Yes one of my pet hates could sometimes help if its local wish people would put it in there profile lol :incazzato:

 

[Sedated]

Yes one of my pet hates could sometimes help if its local wish people would put it in there profile lol :incazzato:

Good idea pjc... Fixed!

 

[Mike]

you could try localising the shower spray head on each part of the shower enclosure and tiles until you find the part that leaks. you could stop the water from travelling with a sponge or dry cloth. there's quite a few tilers from yorkshire on here, maybe if you post on the relevant section it may be more visible I'm Looking for a Wall and Floor Tiler

 

[AliGage]

You know when you get something stuck in your head and you won't be able to forget about it until you've solved the problem? I'm like that with this....

You do not need to seel the enclosure to tray inside the cubicle, most manufactures instructions will specifically tell you not to. If you sealled both sides and water did get through the inner seal you'd have a water trap all under the enclosure.
The installer should of run a continual bead of silicone on the upright fixings before pluggin and screwing them to the wall. I find it best to run two continuous beads parallel with one another.
Understanding the tiles are cut a little close to the tray i can still see from the picture sealant between tray and tile that has spread well enough to cover the 1mm gap you mention. This should be sufficient in anycase.
What is the tray made of? All though you can't see much of the bathroom in the photos the tiles used, and in particular the enclosure looks to be of good quality. I would presume that a stone resin tray was used? This shouldn't flex at all. The tray's right on the floor so if the floor is allowing a stone resin tray to flex i'd start getting concerned about the floor tiling! So i don't think it's your tray moving.
Lastly, and this is the real head scratcher. In the photos you indicate in red that the areas there are dry? Particularly where the tray meets the tiles on the OUTSIDE of the enclosure. If these areas are dry when the water is pooling on your floor then i would be 99.99% certain your looking in the wrong place for your leak. It won't be coming from the enclosure.

Take a friend and a torch into your bathroom. One of you spray water on the into the corner working from bottom to top. The other, with the lights off look for water running outside the enclosure with the torch (trust me you'll find the smallest drip doing it this way).
Once you've found it (if it's the enclosure) strip back a good amount of the sealant and leave to dry out for 24 hours. Then re-seal.

Hope that helps. Good luck

 

[Sedated]

The first time the fitter fit the uprights without any sealant at all behind. Obviously this let out water exactly just like it is doing now.
I got him back to take down the enclosure. Once it was cleaned up and dry I filled the small gap behind where the uprights were going. The Enclosure then went back on, I then resealed the shower as before. The leak I have now is the same place as where it leaked when there was no silicone behind uprights. I think that as the gap I have filled behind the uprights was such a small gap the slightest movement has caused the seal to fail. Or the fitter disturbed the sealant putting the cubical back on? How much exactly would 1mm or less of silicone sealant stretch?

So Im sure the water is finding its way out behind the upright then behind a tile and making its way out at floor level.