Shower enclosure problems

[Perry]

Whereabouts in the uk are you sedated? I would pop round to have a look if you were local

Yes one of my pet hates could sometimes help if its local wish people would put it in there profile lol :incazzato:

 

[Sedated]

Yes one of my pet hates could sometimes help if its local wish people would put it in there profile lol :incazzato:

Good idea pjc... Fixed!

 

[Mike]

you could try localising the shower spray head on each part of the shower enclosure and tiles until you find the part that leaks. you could stop the water from travelling with a sponge or dry cloth. there's quite a few tilers from yorkshire on here, maybe if you post on the relevant section it may be more visible I'm Looking for a Wall and Floor Tiler

 

[AliGage]

You know when you get something stuck in your head and you won't be able to forget about it until you've solved the problem? I'm like that with this....

You do not need to seel the enclosure to tray inside the cubicle, most manufactures instructions will specifically tell you not to. If you sealled both sides and water did get through the inner seal you'd have a water trap all under the enclosure.
The installer should of run a continual bead of Silicon on the upright fixings before pluggin and screwing them to the wall. I find it best to run two continuous beads parallel with one another.
Understanding the tiles are cut a little close to the tray i can still see from the picture sealant between tray and tile that has spread well enough to cover the 1mm gap you mention. This should be sufficient in anycase.
What is the tray made of? All though you can't see much of the bathroom in the photos the tiles used, and in particular the enclosure looks to be of good quality. I would presume that a stone resin tray was used? This shouldn't flex at all. The tray's right on the floor so if the floor is allowing a stone resin tray to flex i'd start getting concerned about the floor tiling! So i don't think it's your tray moving.
Lastly, and this is the real head scratcher. In the photos you indicate in red that the areas there are dry? Particularly where the tray meets the tiles on the OUTSIDE of the enclosure. If these areas are dry when the water is pooling on your floor then i would be 99.99% certain your looking in the wrong place for your leak. It won't be coming from the enclosure.

Take a friend and a torch into your bathroom. One of you spray water on the into the corner working from bottom to top. The other, with the lights off look for water running outside the enclosure with the torch (trust me you'll find the smallest drip doing it this way).
Once you've found it (if it's the enclosure) strip back a good amount of the sealant and leave to dry out for 24 hours. Then re-seal.

Hope that helps. Good luck

 

[Sedated]

The first time the fitter fit the uprights without any sealant at all behind. Obviously this let out water exactly just like it is doing now.
I got him back to take down the enclosure. Once it was cleaned up and dry I filled the small gap behind where the uprights were going. The Enclosure then went back on, I then resealed the shower as before. The leak I have now is the same place as where it leaked when there was no Silicon behind uprights. I think that as the gap I have filled behind the uprights was such a small gap the slightest movement has caused the seal to fail. Or the fitter disturbed the sealant putting the cubical back on? How much exactly would 1mm or less of Silicon sealant stretch?

So Im sure the water is finding its way out behind the upright then behind a tile and making its way out at floor level.

 

[jay]

Might sound stupid but is the tile polished porcelain

 

[AliGage]

Your fitter didn't seal behind the upright structures of a "shower" enclosure? Wouldn't call him a bathroom fitter then.

Have done what i said in my last post? If so did you spot any water coming through the sealant?

 

[Sedated]

Might sound stupid but is the tile polished porcelain

Not really sure but they are big 300x600 things and a bugger to drill!

 

[Sedated]

Your fitter didn't seal behind the upright structures of a "shower" enclosure? Wouldn't call him a bathroom fitter then.

Have done what i said in my last post? If so did you spot any water coming through the sealant?

I directly pointed shower head at corner blasted away and sure enough the water appeared outside through grout. No water on Silicon seal or anywhere else on outside of shower tested with tissue.

 

[Sedated]

Your fitter didn't seal behind the upright structures of a "shower" enclosure? Wouldn't call him a bathroom fitter then.

He does wet rooms as well!!!!!!! thats probably my living room downstairs anytime soon!

 

[jay]

Not really sure but they are big 300x600 things and a bugger to drill!

noticed they are changing color when wet did your tiler seal the tile

 

[Sedated]

No the tiles arnt changing colour when wet they are mottled and a semi sheen, so it probably looks like that. the flash on the camera alters the look every photo. They arnt tiles that need sealing.

 

[Sedated]

So with all things weighed up I think that...
The first time they fit the shower enclosure tthey didnt put the secondary seal around the tray prior to uprights going in, as shown in the picture below (Which is part of the PDF from the bathstore regarding my shower tray!) . Even if they didnt go around all the tray they should have definatly done behind the uprights.

& to make things worse they have put the wall tiles far to close to the shower tray so that the sealant cannot stretch as it should in the small gap behind the uprights.
Its OK on the bit that is exposed inside the shower the tiles to tray as I could put plenty on and overlap tray and tiles. but for behind the uprights I couldnt overlap as much, as the uprights would, and indead probably have, disturbed the Silicon there.
Also they "Buttered" the tiles rather than spreading adhesive on the walls so that will leave spacees behind the tiles!
Not looking good is it.
Anyhow thanks for all the replys guys...Appreciated.

 

[Mike]

where is the grout getting wet? between the wall and floor tiles? this joint should be siliconed but that won't be the cause of the problem. where exactly did you concentrate the shower head? and you say there's 1mm of silicon, the bead should be about 5mm covering the 1mm gap under the tiles

 

[kilty55]

has this tray been properly siliconed inside the tray between tray and tiles?