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But Ray the tile does not add to the strength of the screed. It merely add an element that might act compositely with the screed but each element remains unchanged. Sort of like the whole is more than the sum of the parts.

When testing flexural strength of screeds which is the important bit really we use prisms of 40mm x 40mm x 150mm which is the european standard test method, so testing a 25mm piece would not really tell us anything very useful. Compressive strength is less important as its generally over engineered, but as a rule we work to a minimum Ca-C25-F4 on standard mixes and on specials up to CA-C35-F7. The samples should be cast rather than cut from a lump as it is generally impossible to guarantee that the cutting process does not fracture the screed and the size can never be as accurate. the standard that we work to is BS-EN 13454 and BS-EN-13813 and are certified to ISO9001 and CE accredited. TS -15 and TS -20 have been independently tested for in situ crushing strength by Aston Services and meet the requirements for Category A when laid bonded or unbonded and the strengths are CA-C30-F5 and Ca-C35-F6 respectively. Our TimBRE product is independently tested by TestConsult Ltd for use on a timber substrate and our diamond screed (polished system) is independently tested by Warwick University. Our standard products are tested on a daily basis during manufacture using a quality assured testing regime. They are tested for setting time, strengths and a number of other factors which are not relevant to tiles and we carry out probably several hundred tests every week. We use statistical process control methods and have the only fully temperature and humidity controlled laboratory in the UK. We have carried out all sorts of other testing in house and externally over the years in order to ensure that the products we make not only meet the standards that are set for them but also that they exceed the fitness for purpose requirements that the industry sets in terms of deliverability, usability and robustness By all means carry out your tests but really you cant tell us anything that we don't probably already know and unless it is carried out in a manner that is standard, repeatable and can be compared to normative testing then it is pretty meaningless. You can buy a bag of Sureflow screed which is a Gypsol screed from CCF if you like and make your own samples. I can say with absolute confidence though that a sand cement screed hand laid and hand compacted is rarely if ever going to have as higher flexural or compressive strength as a self compacting anhydrite screed, tile or no tile.
 
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But Ray the tile does not add to the strength of the screed. It merely add an element that might act compositely with the screed but each element remains unchanged. Sort of like the whole is more than the sum of the parts.

When testing flexural strength of screeds which is the important bit really we use prisms of 40mm x 40mm x 150mm which is the european standard test method, so testing a 25mm piece would not really tell us anything very useful. Compressive strength is less important as its generally over engineered, but as a rule we work to a minimum Ca-C25-F4 on standard mixes and on specials up to CA-C35-F7. The samples should be cast rather than cut from a lump as it is generally impossible to guarantee that the cutting process does not fracture the screed and the size can never be as accurate. the standard that we work to is BS-EN 13454 and BS-EN-13813 and are certified to ISO9001 and CE accredited. TS -15 and TS -20 have been independently tested for in situ crushing strength by Aston Services and meet the requirements for Category A when laid bonded or unbonded and the strengths are CA-C30-F5 and Ca-C35-F6 respectively. Our TimBRE product is independently tested by TestConsult Ltd for use on a timber substrate and our diamond screed (polished system) is independently tested by Warwick University. Our standard products are tested on a daily basis during manufacture using a quality assured testing regime. They are tested for setting time, strengths and a number of other factors which are not relevant to tiles and we carry out probably several hundred tests every week. We use statistical process control methods and have the only fully temperature and humidity controlled laboratory in the UK. We have carried out all sorts of other testing in house and externally over the years in order to ensure that the products we make not only meet the standards that are set for them but also that they exceed the fitness for purpose requirements that the industry sets in terms of deliverability, usability and robustness By all means carry out your tests but really you cant tell us anything that we don't probably already know and unless it is carried out in a manner that is standard, repeatable and can be compared to normative testing then it is pretty meaningless. You can buy a bag of Sureflow screed which is a Gypsol screed from CCF if you like and make your own samples. I can say with absolute confidence though that a sand cement screed hand laid and hand compacted is rarely if ever going to have as higher flexural or compressive strength as a self compacting anhydrite screed, tile or no tile.
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But Ray the tile does not add to the strength of the screed. It merely add an element that might act compositely with the screed but each element remains unchanged. Sort of like the whole is more than the sum of the parts.

When testing flexural strength of screeds which is the important bit really we use prisms of 40mm x 40mm x 150mm which is the european standard test method, so testing a 25mm piece would not really tell us anything very useful. Compressive strength is less important as its generally over engineered, but as a rule we work to a minimum Ca-C25-F4 on standard mixes and on specials up to CA-C35-F7. The samples should be cast rather than cut from a lump as it is generally impossible to guarantee that the cutting process does not fracture the screed and the size can never be as accurate. the standard that we work to is BS-EN 13454 and BS-EN-13813 and are certified to ISO9001 and CE accredited. TS -15 and TS -20 have been independently tested for in situ crushing strength by Aston Services and meet the requirements for Category A when laid bonded or unbonded and the strengths are CA-C30-F5 and Ca-C35-F6 respectively. Our TimBRE product is independently tested by TestConsult Ltd for use on a timber substrate and our diamond screed (polished system) is independently tested by Warwick University. Our standard products are tested on a daily basis during manufacture using a quality assured testing regime. They are tested for setting time, strengths and a number of other factors which are not relevant to tiles and we carry out probably several hundred tests every week. We use statistical process control methods and have the only fully temperature and humidity controlled laboratory in the UK. We have carried out all sorts of other testing in house and externally over the years in order to ensure that the products we make not only meet the standards that are set for them but also that they exceed the fitness for purpose requirements that the industry sets in terms of deliverability, usability and robustness By all means carry out your tests but really you cant tell us anything that we don't probably already know and unless it is carried out in a manner that is standard, repeatable and can be compared to normative testing then it is pretty meaningless. You can buy a bag of Sureflow screed which is a Gypsol screed from CCF if you like and make your own samples. I can say with absolute confidence though that a sand cement screed hand laid and hand compacted is rarely if ever going to have as higher flexural or compressive strength as a self compacting anhydrite screed, tile or no tile.
Now THAT is what I call testing. And a lab'.
Touché.

*tips hat gentlemanly whilst holding cigar as if pondering
 

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@Ajax123 maybe when you're not so busy you could take a few snaps of a couple of parts of a typical test. And maybe a couple of something that's failed and something that passed?

Maybe taking the thread off topic again here mind! Even members are telling me off for it now.
 
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Rizzle from the Portizzle

Now THAT is what I call testing. And a lab'.
Touché.

*tips hat gentlemanly whilst holding cigar as if pondering
ok i am sitting back hamlet in one hand scotch in the other so let me begin in a gentlemanly way by reading between the lines and and bringing the truth out one by one

1 but the tile does not add strengh
wrong by compacting the screed with the tile and slurey will create a tighter and more compact screed giving greater strenght even if you slide the tile away fact

2 relying on eu standards witch are set to the minimum standard required fact all ways . so they can sell us all there rubbish and pretend it has a standard y

3 you have to carry out several hundred test a week thats what you need to do when you dont know what waste you are using ever day to make your screeds .so the real point here is you dont trust what you are producing .how many do you reject and why .or do you use them again intill they right waste is added ?

4 no test relevant to tiles or tiling carried out after several hundred test would a couple more realy hurt

5 well we all live in a fully controlled temperture humidity house just like your very busy lab .

6 no test carried out for fitness or purpose for tiling so you say

7 and you say i can say with absoulute confidence sand and cement hand laid compacted is rarley if ever going to have higher fleyurall or compressive strengh as self conpacting screed one big oxie morron so in a nut shell you dont realy know
company man all the way

8 i know what works and does not. never been in a lab or read many rules
just worked with tilers who do it every day day in day out they have never been to a lab to .but i would trust them day in day out .

last drag of that hammlet tomorrows anther day
 

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