Travertine-UFH=Decoupler? Aparently NOT..

[DavieA]

And do you have experience of them? Might call mapei and see whats what.

 

[kilty55]

i used pecilastic on a fw jobs last year,no probs at all

not used any other mats so cant comment

 

[DHTiling]

And do you have experience of them? Might call mapei and see whats what.

Ye.. i did 80 mtrs of stone with Mapetex..

 

[poynton phil]

This is very worrying, as I'v used the genisis mat on a fair few jobs in the last 10 mths or so.

If its a manufacturing fault then i would of thought that genisis would have pulled the mat from the market, but companies are still selling it, SO WHATS GOING ON GENISIS, AND DUREL, perhaps someone from the company should be brave enough to come on the forum and explain.

 

[DavieA]

what are you looking at for Mapetex price wise?

 

[DavieA]

Quick question, does anyone know how to tell the difference between the old and new duarl matting and where to buy it?

 

[Stewart]

Quick question, does anyone know how to tell the difference between the old and new duarl matting and where to buy it?

The newly designed Dural CI mat has a multi size hole design in the plastic and is quite distinctive... The old one just had round dimples in it. If you buy it from PHG who are a forum sponsor, they will only supply you with the new one and you'll get discount.

 

[andy-p]

Guys.. the issue is not how you stick them down, the top polythylene layer is separating from the fleece.. this is a manufacture problem last year and 1000's of mtrs of fixers work has delaminated from the fleece... Personally the way i feel i do not want to use this type of membrane again.. i have zero confidence in them now..

if i feel the need for an anti crack membrane then it will be mapetex or maybe pecilastic..

Ok then it should be ok to keep using the Pecalstic , as i said ive never had a problem with this as yet , and there is a definite need for d/c mats especially when fitting stone over a wet ufh ...

 

[DHTiling]

Ye , no probs..

 

[DavieA]

And does the new one not have a fleece back to it that could come away from the mat like the original matting?

 

[DHTiling]

It does have a fleece ye but it is now made in Sweden and not Germany like the other mats..

 

[DavieA]

Ah ok, and no reported issues with the new Dural? Should be sound to use. Is it called Dural ci+ by any chance?

 

[DHTiling]

It is yes..🙂... PHG Wetrooms is now selling it..

And Dural give a FULL warranty and promise no comebacks.. unlike the older version that a few comps sold.. 🙁🙁

 

[Ken Bruty]

Just used the new ci on a trav job as a dpm, but not on ufh, so fingers crossed. When I was up at Mapei a few weeks back, the training guy mentioned Mapetex and I will be using that in future 1 - because it's a single mayer mat and 2 - it's actually cheaper than the plastic/fleece mats. I'm now concerned over a marble job done last year (40m2) on old ci on wet ufh, hopefully, as I haven't heard anything yet, it should be ok :uhoh2:

 

[DavieA]

Whos the full warranty from the seller or Dural themselves?

Mapetex is one I'm also looking into but am unsure of it because its single layer so wonder if it work as well.

 

[White Room]

Is the Mapetex available from Tile Giant?

 

[Ken Bruty]

Davie, might be worth a call to Mapei, or check out the website, I liked the simplicity and versatility of it, and the fact you can make it part of the adhesive layer without adding too much height, if any at all.

 

[DavieA]

I've never saw it in TG and when I've asked about decouplers they have never heard if them.

Others may have had better luck.

 

[DavieA]

Yeah they seem good points Cheers Ken, think ill call mapei and quiz them. Do you recon its a better choice the the new ci? Only ask as your one if the few who have tested ci+.

 

[Ken Bruty]

The new ci seems ok it's now got square studs in it and it doesn't seem to curl as much as the new one, it's more like ditra in the way it behaves, so perhaps it's more stable. Mapetex is less expensive, and you can use it over cracks in screed without having to use it on the whole floor without affecting the tile height (ie no lippage) so in my opinion it's easier to use, and will make your quotes more coompetitive. I can't understand why Mapei haven't pushed it out in the marketplace a bit more though, it's a no brainer for them. Perhaps TG need to consider stocking it specifically for stone floors?

 

[diamondtiling]

I just spoke to Dave from PHG and I have to say what a nice and helpful man he is, I need 125 mts of Mapetex to go under some Limestone which is over wet UFH. He explained all the problems that the other manufacturers are having and it seems to be coming from the same manufacturer in Germany.
I will be ordering from Dave next week.

By the way his price was brilliant when compared to another supplier, I found one company charging £977.00 for a 2mtr x 50 mtr roll! Give him a call if you have any issues or queries regarding de-coupling membranes.



Home page - PHG Wetrooms

 

[DavieA]

Still going with the Mapetex Diamond? PHG has a great price on the Ci+ too. First class website.

 

[diamondtiling]

Hi Davie what is the price on the Ci+? what area are the rolls?

I went for the Mapetex because of what Dave said to me on the phone and also the general points raised through this thread.

 

[DavieA]

168 for 30m2 without any Tf discount but still beats other shops. Never knew they sold Mapetex its not on the website but good to know its an option.

Ive not spoken to Dave but what was his points that sold you on the Mapetex?

 

[poynton phil]

I've never saw it in TG and when I've asked about decouplers they have never heard if them.

Others may have had better luck.

The tile giant i use Macclesfield supply dita, but dont stock it.

 

[DavieA]

I too have now been converted to Mapeitex for installs were waterproofing isnt required but when it is CI+ all the way. Looks really easy to work with and cut etc, only query ill need clarification on is it says bonded using keraquick and i use a lot of keraflex and theres no mention of bonding it to ply floor or if it can be put down straight onto chipboard providing floor sold and deflection free?...

Anyone have any ideas?

 

[DHTiling]

Use keraquick with latex plus..🙂

 

[Gall.B]

I still cant beleve theres tilers out there still not using decouplers for jobs it would clearly benifit.

Just went to see a domestic Travertine job. I was the 6th tiler to see job so hed had a lot of info already. Its 50m2 of module travertine layed over the ground floor of a property running through 5 rooms.

It has wet ufh then chipboard and 15mm ply in place. So I recomended laying dural over ply and fixed with keraflex then laying tile onto bed of keraflex using half round flooring trowel and flexible grout, Reconed it take around 6 days start to finish.

But my price was more expensive than others because id priced in decoupler which at £9m2 makes a difference. I explained that due to there being a wet ufh system and laying a natural tile onto wooden sub that the dural would allow lateral movement of sub without stressing tile and grout. But he said none of the tilers had heard of or mentioned it apart from one of them, the most expensive one had heard of it or knew what it was...

Am I way off or what:mad2: ?

Lot of guys up our way are pricing crazy at the mo just to get the work usally handy men or guys that have been at it 5 mins.
dont worry you will get the call to sort it you get what you pay for after all!

Know what your talking about talking to a punter after other guys who said tile over chipboard fine etc , you just see there eyes glazing over as your wffling on about backer boards membranes flexi this........ Half the reason I just try to stick to sub work now.