Tubbed ..... again..

[Stef]

I wouldn't like to use tubbed gear on top of tanking as it would take forever & a day to dry out.

 

[Concrete guy]

What's causing the misunderstand here is BAL's definition of a "wet area".

Many years ago I have a failure with a BAL product and I was given a definition from BAL on what a "Domestic Shower Area/Bathroom" actually is.

It's a hand held shower mixer over a bath. This is what's meant by "Intermittently wet areas only".

BAL consider a walk in shower cubical to a be a heavy wet area, basically anything that is going to be subject to more water than a "splashback" then Green Star is not your product.

M3 is correct about it being water soluble, which is kind of the giveaway.

 

[Stef]

Green Star is water soluble as it's classified a D1 adhesive. It is not suitable in a shower area.
White Star is a D2 adhesive that won't break down when in contact with water.
It doesn't take a Rocket Surgeon to work out what's best suited where.

 

[The D]

What's causing the misunderstand here is BAL's definition of a "wet area".

Many years ago I have a failure with a BAL product and I was given a definition from BAL on what a "Domestic Shower Area/Bathroom" actually is.

It's a hand held shower mixer over a bath. This is what's meant by "Intermittently wet areas only".

BAL consider a walk in shower cubical to a be a heavy wet area, basically anything that is going to be subject to more water than a "splashback" then Green Star is not your product.

M3 is correct about it being water soluble, which is kind of the giveaway.

im not convinced that would stand up in court they only make three distinctions 1. domestic showers. 2. commercial showers 3. swimming pools have a look at white star http://files.building-adhesives.com...Technical Data Sheets/BAL_White_Star_Plus.pdf

 

[AliGage]

What's causing the misunderstand here is BAL's definition of a "wet area".

Many years ago I have a failure with a BAL product and I was given a definition from BAL on what a "Domestic Shower Area/Bathroom" actually is.

It's a hand held shower mixer over a bath. This is what's meant by "Intermittently wet areas only".

BAL consider a walk in shower cubical to a be a heavy wet area, basically anything that is going to be subject to more water than a "splashback" then Green Star is not your product.

M3 is correct about it being water soluble, which is kind of the giveaway.

Thank you!

 

[Dougs Third Go]

I've no problems using tubbed on kitchen splashbacks, assuming they're small format ceramic, but I always use powder on bathrooms and shower areas, not only because it's cheaper and better suited for purpose (imo!) but most bathroom tiles these days are large format ie larger than 30 x 30.

 

[Concrete guy]

im not convinced that would stand up in court they only make three distinctions 1. domestic showers. 2. commercial showers 3. swimming pools have a look at white star http://files.building-adhesives.com...Technical Data Sheets/BAL_White_Star_Plus.pdf

It would stand up in court based on the manufacturers definition, which is available if you ask.

Why not phone BAL technical and confirm it yourself?

 

[The D]

It would stand up in court based on the manufacturers definition, which is available if you ask.

Why not phone BAL technical and confirm it yourself?

i did just that and they said I could use it but the did better products but if I was going to use it I should tank the walls first so that is that as far as I am concerned. I do not use much ready mixed on my own jobs and I use even less BAL so it dose not bother me in the slitest but if you wish to use it in domestic showers you can.

 

[Concrete guy]

i did just that and they said I could use it but the did better products but if I was going to use it I should tank the walls first so that is that as far as I am concerned. I do not use much ready mixed on my own jobs and I use even less BAL so it dose not bother me in the slitest but if you wish to use it in domestic showers you can.

I think you've slightly missed what was being explained.

A "Domestic shower" is a hand held shower head coming from a mixer tap. Accoring to BAL.

A 900x900 shower cubicle fitted with say an Aqualisa Quartz shower - still in a domestic property does not actually fall into BAL's definition of "Domestic Shower". I've been on the receiving end of a failure of this nature and BAL washed their hands of it. I never once used tubbed stuff again.

 

[charlie1]

All you guys using tubbed gear most be working behind some fantastic joiners and plasterers!!! I would only ever use tubbed gear where I had no concerned with the plane of the tiles being true and the tiles where no larger than 200x100.

Use powder....

its cheaper
easier to use
better performance

...it's a no brainer

 

[The D]

I think you've slightly missed what was being explained.

A "Domestic shower" is a hand held shower head coming from a mixer tap. Accoring to BAL.

A 900x900 shower cubicle fitted with say an Aqualisa Quartz shower - still in a domestic property does not actually fall into BAL's definition of "Domestic Shower". I've been on the receiving end of a failure of this nature and BAL washed their hands of it. I never once used tubbed stuff again.

i explained what the project was and that the tiler had told me it was the wrong adhesive. they said they made better products but as long as the tiles were no bigger than 300-300 green star will do the job but they recommended that i tank the walls first if i use green star. it is no surprise that they fobbed you off with a lame excuse but it sounds like you let the walk away and that is them allover. Most people do not push hard enough and they just walk away laughing.

 

[Concrete guy]

i explained what the project was and that the tiler had told me it was the wrong adhesive. they said they made better products but as long as the tiles were no bigger than 300-300 green star will do the job but they recommended that i tank the walls first if i use green star. it is no surprise that they fobbed you off with a lame excuse but it sounds like you let the walk away and that is them allover. Most people do not push hard enough and they just walk away laughing.

I went legal and was advised not to pursue by a solicitor after reading BAL's terms and conditions and full specifications.

Clearly I or any number of other tilers on here aren't going to get you to change your opinion.

I used the experience and decided to never use tubbed adhesive again.

You crack on using it if you're comfortable and when you do get a failure we'll all be delighted to read about the court case you'll be pursuing.

 

[Brian the Tile]

And I get so cheesed of with people on here who are so far up there own , Ithe know alls and know not so much, like I say if you prefer to use powder thats fine but dont class them that use bucket stuff a idiots that dont know what they are doing , I find thd childish comments hard to take lying down, afte over 40 years as a wall and floor tiler I think I might know what im doing and which adhesive to use when and where so all you clever rocket scientists out there why dont you take a hike

 

[Brian the Tile]

Like I said over and over if you like powder thats fine

 

[The D]

I went legal and was advised not to pursue by a solicitor after reading BAL's terms and conditions and full specifications.

Clearly I or any number of other tilers on here aren't going to get you to change your opinion.

I used the experience and decided to never use tubbed adhesive again.

You crack on using it if you're comfortable and when you do get a failure we'll all be delighted to read about the court case you'll be pursuing.

i have not offered my opinion in this thread i have offered information from the data sheet and from BAL technical it is not me that is saying it can be used in a shower it is BAL.