Tubbed stuff

[beanz]

Bagged adhesive everytime.(or gripfill):yikes:

Mmmmmmmm Gripfill!! :lol:

 

[Falcone]

nice thread...

so what bagged stuff do you guys use for bathroom walls and kitchen walls? cheers

when using bagged stuff on a kitchen wall or bathroom walls can you grout the same day?

 

[grumpygrouter]

nice thread...

so what bagged stuff do you guys use for bathroom walls and kitchen walls? cheers

when using bagged stuff on a kitchen wall or bathroom walls can you grout the same day?

You still need to leave time for the adhesive to set before grouting and that is usually at least 3hrs.....from fixing the last tile! if it s samll area that can be done reasonably quickly I use Keraquick but if I know I am going to be tiling all day I use SPF and grout the next day.

 

[smurf21]

The thing is with most tubbed adhesives the manufacturers recommend that no more thn a 3mm bed be applied now this is ok for perfectly flat walls and small tiles but as we all know this is rarely the case and a large format tile needs a thicker bed 1. for strength and 2. because the bigger the tile the flatter the wall needs to be ,so therefore the 3mm bed is out the question so onto the addy that can deliver a thicker bed ie powdered addy 1. it can be built in thickness as it dries via a chem reaction rather than a water despertion method 2 you can get it in std set or rapid and imo a large format tile needs to be held quickly so powdered it is for anything over a 250x250

 

[Jez]

Having just been put in a situation by a customer where they sourced all the materials etc I had to use tubbed stuff - not impressed at all and told them too. The walls were completely out (I
i'm talking wavey beyond a joke, reveals terrible - hammer and chisel job!) which meant messing around with the tiles (600x300) and in turn the job took twice as long as it should have. I did say to the customer to get powder but took no notice as he was one of those that knew it all but knew nothing!

Anyway I can say with conviction, powder all the way!!

 

[poynton phil]

Having just been put in a situation by a customer where they sourced all the materials etc I had to use tubbed stuff - not impressed at all and told them too. The walls were completely out (I
i'm talking wavey beyond a joke, reveals terrible - hammer and chisel job!) which meant messing around with the tiles (600x300) and in turn the job took twice as long as it should have. I did say to the customer to get powder but took no notice as he was one of those that knew it all but knew nothing!

Anyway I can say with conviction, powder all the way!!

There is no way i would have put tiles of that size up with tubbed gear, bet they were'nt ceramic either, you would of been better off walking away, because if they fall off, yuo are resposible, i'm sorry to say.

 

[Jez]

Ha, would have liked to but he was assured it was fine and although I told him that I wasn't at all happy with the situation, I had travelled two and a half hours to the job! I raised my issue's again with him and he was happy (Bloody stuff is terrible to use!!!) but the tiles seemed fine given been sceptical about the adhesive. Like i said powder mix all the way, but the customer (so they say, although we all know it's rubbish, is always right). also I had advised him what to get to no avail, so it's his responsibility.

 

[Ajax123]

Having just been put in a situation by a customer where they sourced all the materials etc I had to use tubbed stuff - not impressed at all and told them too. The walls were completely out (I
i'm talking wavey beyond a joke, reveals terrible - hammer and chisel job!) which meant messing around with the tiles (600x300) and in turn the job took twice as long as it should have. I did say to the customer to get powder but took no notice as he was one of those that knew it all but knew nothing!

Anyway I can say with conviction, powder all the way!!

Why do customers want to buy their own materials. It is surely no cheaper in the long run unless they buy them with the tilers agreement before purchase. I get the same thing with screeders customers wanting to source their own insulation and edging strips only to find they have got the wrong stuff cos it was "cheaper". If you were a carpenter would you expect the client to say you got to use his tools for cutting the roof trusses only to find he has a junior hacksaw and a pin hammer. I don't think so. Don't let them do it says I - insist on using the right tools and materials for the job

end of mini rant :incazzato::incazzato:

 

[White Room]

Got one to look at this week and the builder told me the customer has bought his own tubbed gear and grout, won't be using that then:incazzato:

 

[Ajax123]

Got one to look at this week and the builder told me the customer has bought his own tubbed gear and grout, won't be using that then:incazzato:

Good Man.

Anyway if he buys the gear and you use it it is still your responsibility if it goes wrong. Lifes a *****! :yikes:

 

[brian c]

I'd like to think that, but know he gets a LOT of repeat work, and has a really good rep locally!?! He's been fitting bathrooms for 20 years... Maybe he's just extremely lucky, i don't know!?!

I grouted a job for him last week, and have got other work with the customer, so hopefully i'll find out if the 600x600 Porcelain tiles fall off the walls. I know i wouldn't want to be under one if it does go!

600x600 is far too large for dispersion adhesive and it shouldnt be used for porcelain either...so i guess they will fail.

 

[White Room]

Agree with Brian, I would walk rather than use dispersion on that tile

 

[beanz]

600x600 is far too large for dispersion adhesive and it shouldnt be used for porcelain either...so i guess they will fail.

You'd think so wouldn't you. He's been doing it for years, and not had one fail yet (apparently)!?! If/When it does fail, it'll be interesting to see what his insurance company have to say about it. :incazzato:

 

[Jez]

Well there you go i'm learning all the time!! As I said I did and repeat did emphasize the needs for powder also told him not happy in the slightest but he was insistant that it was fine. Concerning the issue of responsibility, how can it be mine when he sourced it and insisted it to be used?????????:mad2: :incazzato:

Powder Powder Powder POWDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[beanz]

Because YOU are the professional! All a Judge will see is that you installed the tiles knowing they would fail. Look up "Duty of Care".