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[alarmeng]

Evening peeps

Bit of advice please if youd be so good.

I have primed the walls and fully backer boarded the entire bathroom now.

I put some tiles up on the internal part of the bathroom wall at weekend (about half a dozen ),After i had finnished boarding out today i noticed that a small crack appeared all the way down the adhesive side of the tile.

I knocked it and it sounded hollow, i managed to prsie the tile off the wall (it came away quite easily) the adhesive has stuck to the wall very well but not to the back of the tile.

Do i have to prep the rear of the tiles or am i using the wrong adhesive.
When i got the tiles the adhesive is what the guy advised me to use,( its called nicobond interior \ exteriror wall and floor adhesive)


Any help would be greatfully appreciated.

MAny thanks


Gaz

 

[DHTiling]

what size tile is it and does it have a profiled back...some times you need to back skim the tiles to get a good hold....

 

[grumpygrouter]

Not familiar with your adhesive Gaz so I am unable to comment on that. Did you prime your backerboard? Usually no need to prime backerboard, in fact I think board manufacturers say not to as you are then applying your adhesive to a good cement surface, which it was designed for.

Was the adhesive a powder adhesive? If so maybe you had the mix wrong. Not sure about whether your adhesive was suitable for stone or not.

Wait for guys that use Nicobond to respond they may have better info.

Grumpy

 

[Perry]

was the tile cut with a wet cutter ? dry the back first & as the Dave the man says skim the back that will give you a better key Pete

 

[alarmeng]

Hi

The tiles are 600 x 400 and they are travertine tiles, the backs are slightly porouse.

The tiles are bone dry, i was thinking of priming the tiles with bal apd any suggestions.

Feeling a bit deflated at the mo as all was going well. :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

Bloody hard work trying to bond and and screw the backer to the walls on my own hahahaha..

Just popping out for some grub as im in need of a quick beer and some food.

\again thanks for any suggestiond fella's


Gary

 

[DHTiling]

hi gary mate..deffo back skim the tiles.. this will fill any holes and imperfections in the back and create a much stronger bond....good luck and let us know how you get on...........
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Just checked on nicobond site and they recommend this for stone...


N&C Nicobond have launched a new cement based, quick setting adhesive specifically designed for fixing natural stone tiles to a variety of surfaces. Nicobond's Natural Stone Speed Flex is ideal for fixing moisture sensitive natural stone products; marble, granite and slate to both interior and exterior walls along with being suitable for tiling swimming pools or wet areas. The adhesive is suitable for both wall and floor tiling offering versatility, resilience and flexibility all in one. Nicobond's Natural Stone Speed Flex can be applied up to 12mm thick with an advisory drying time of 2/3 hours and with it exceeding requirements of BS EN 12004 C2FT we believe it really is the best product on the market.

The N&C Natural Stone Speed Flex is available at all N&C Nicobond and TileStyle sites throughout the UK in both grey and white colouring along with a wide variety of natural stone tiles and tiling solutions.
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Also if you give wayne a pm.( http://www.tilersforums.com/members/wayne.html ).he uses nicobond gear and maybe he will let you know...i know certain nicobond adhesives need the substrate priming first...

 

[alarmeng]

Whats te diff in back skimming the tile as opposed to fitting it directly to the skimmed wall?

Would it not help if i sealed the tiles with Apd.

Dont want to be in the bath in the middle of it and a tile knocking me out haahahahah.

Going to ringNicobond up in the morn and ask what hey think, Ill get back and lt you know.

Again thanks for replies fellas much appreciated.

Gaz

The adhessive sticks like ****e to a blanket on the backer just not to the tile

 

[grumpygrouter]

Whats te diff in back skimming the tile as opposed to fitting it directly to the skimmed wall?

He means skim the back of the tile as well. This gives the tile effectively a solid fix which should aid adhesion.

Grumpy

 

[alarmeng]

Hi guys

Just a quick update, spoke to the people at Nico and they wanted to get a rep out too have a look, i said i didn't have time for that just wanted to know if i had done anything wrong.

The guy was very helpful and from what i had told him everything was spot on and he couldn't understand why this was happening.

So i rang a local tile suppliers up wink wink and spoke to a guy who advised me to user Bal natural stone rapid fix adhesive as he almost guaranteed i wouldn't have a problem.

So off i popped to get another 4 bags of the said adhesive.

I then spent the next 3 hours trying to scrape off the old bloody tile adhesive from the walls. (Blisters to prove hahaha)

Any way all tiles removed and cleaned up and cleaned the mess every where bloody dust.

Used the Bal adhesive and guess what SPOT ON.

Also tried out the new big wet cutter i bought and well impressed with that also,so apart from being way behind schedule everything at the mo seems OK.

Got back to where i was the other day (tiles on wall). looks like nothing change from the other day hahaha.

Anyway guys thanks for all the advice , appreciated a lot.

Ill post pics if any ones interested ltr.

Any way back to work tomorrow, so it'll have to wait after i get in.

Again cheers for advice.

Gaz

 

[Perry]

Good luck Gaz

 

[DHTiling]

So i rang a local tile suppliers up wink wink and spoke to a guy who advised me to user Bal natural stone rapid fix adhesive as he almost guaranteed i wouldn't have a problem..

Can't say iv'e heard of that product from BAL....was it CTF3...????

 

[etc.tiling]

Gaz, it sounds like you've bought unsealed travertine, which is cheaper than the sealed stuff. If it's not been sealed then your adhesive will be filling the porous holes and you will be losing some of your fixing power. I don't touch jobs like this - it's sealed travertine or I don't do it.

There's nothing wrong with Nicobond Gaz, they're a good company so you shouldn't have any problems.

Out of interest, did you make sure you cleaned the tiles properly before buttering them? If there is a layer of dust on them this could also add to your fixing troubles.

No need to apply APD primer to the boards mate. They're designed to be tiled straight onto.

Good luck fella!!

etc

 

[Unregistered]

Morning fella's

Ive got a bag in the car ill have a look ltr and tell you exactly what it is (i thinkk its called natural stone adhesive (BAL)

The rear of the stone is white and doesnt look as though it has been sealed, i did clean the tile up first to get the powder off it.

Had a look this morn and they are well and truely stuck (phew)

Any way managed to give myself a little shiner last night as the bloody spirit level fell off the tile and lamped me on the sid eof the eye lol.

Any way back tpo work for me fella's.

I was going to bin the Nicobond but if its ok then ill save it for the kitchen floor that she wants doing next.

Cheers fella's

Gaz

 

[wayne]

the nicobond natural stone speedflex is great to use and never had a problem with it. it sounds like you were using fast floor and wall adhesive. i have never used it as i always use flexi adhesive. with travertine i always back skim it with the flat side of the trowel to get rid of dust and improve adheshion. were you using the gear too stiff as it will stick to the wall and not the trowel if it was

 

[alarmeng]

Evening fella's.

Been a busy holiday for me again and the missus is on my case again hahaha.

Whats your thoughts on cutting Trev tiles along the 600 mm edge,i have a wet cutter thats spot on for the 400mm length but not the other way.

Was looking to hiring a larger wet cutter but cant find one :-(

So i thought about using a rinder with a desent wheel on it.

Also which trim do you think looks best with above tiles either chrome or the plastic beige coloured one.

Sorry for so many questions but thanks in advance fella's.


Gaz