Weber Set Trade S1, real problems!

[Dan]

Not sure but I believe it's glued and screwed at 150 centres

I think @paul.c checked its 300mm mate. Plus he's managing to stick to the wood with other adhesives. So begs the question why not the weber set trade.

 

[Italy]

Am I right in saying the date on the bag is the date of manufacture and not expiry? I think we've done this before and somebody checked for us.

always production date 😉

 

[LM]

Was the area of the tiled floor that is still stuck down trafficed much before it was tiled?
The reason I ask is that a few years ago I was on an Ardex/BAL course and this topic came up. They said that one of the major issues with certian Plywood boards was that they are coming from really hot climates and at first the plywood was arriving in the UK having spent weeks or so in very hot temperatures while in transit. This caused the glues that bond the plywood togeather to melt out of the ply to the board below while they where in the hot climates and when the bales of plywood were taken of the boats in the cooler UK they ended up as one large block of useless plywood all stuck togeater as one.
To counter this the manufacturers in these countries treated all the boards with a releasing agent that prevented the boeards from sticking togeather during transport. These releasing agents are invisible so they reccommended that before tiling any ply the board must be thourouly sanded to remove the releasing agent which in turn would allow the adhesive to key properly. I'm wondering if the area that the tiles are still down on had enough wear to remove the releasing aget before it was tiled?

 

[Dumbo]

Was the area of the tiled floor that is still stuck down trafficed much before it was tiled?
The reason I ask is that a few years ago I was on an Ardex/BAL course and this topic came up. They said that one of the major issues with certian Plywood boards was that they are coming from really hot climates and at first the plywood was arriving in the UK having spent weeks or so in very hot temperatures while in transit. This caused the glues that bond the plywood togeather to melt out of the ply to the board below while they where in the hot climates and when the bales of plywood were taken of the boats in the cooler UK they ended up as one large block of useless plywood all stuck togeater as one.
To counter this the manufacturers in these countries treated all the boards with a releasing agent that prevented the boeards from sticking togeather during transport. These releasing agents are invisible so they reccommended that before tiling any ply the board must be thourouly sanded to remove the releasing agent which in turn would allow the adhesive to key properly. I'm wondering if the area that the tiles are still down on had enough wear to remove the releasing aget before it was tiled?

Interesting . Also where he has stuck down tiles with different adhesive is this where tiling has already failed therefore removing release agent .

 

[Billski]

Well that does sound like it could explain things. But the area that the tiles did fix to with the different adhesive weren't really in a high foot traffic area. Best reason so far though.
Still waiting for Weber to get back to me for a site visit.

 

[Billski]

And no the tiles that stuck went onto untouched ply, so can't of removed the agent beforehand.

 

[Dumbo]

And no the tiles that stuck went onto untouched ply, so can't of removed the agent beforehand.

Like for like

 

[Dan]

I think this is one of those threads where we work a lot on the reason behind the failure and not so much on the fix.

Unless weber are going to say the ply needs replacing (so at your cost not theirs) the fix is all the same and you've suggested it already.

Just needs tiling with an adhesive that's sticking. Do some test with off cuts and get on with it leaving a small area for weber to check and probably wriggle out of it because of fixer error or whatever.

Unless they confirm that batch of adhesive wasn't right, it's going fall on your head IMO. Sounds a bit harsh wasn't meant to come across like that.

Point I'm making is just retile it quick and move on. Don't use that adhesive again and look in to the ply you buy in future.

Just my 2p after reading it all again.

 

[Blunt Tool]

Don't know if you guys down south are the same but good few year back up here all the builders merchants started peddling cheap inferior plywood from all over the world wherever it was cheapest. Before that all the plywood came from Scandinavian countries, best there was and never any problems with it. I never go near plywood now and use Wedi or tile backer boards now sounds a bit like the horror stories I heard up here years back!

 

[Dumbo]

I like using ply for structure but never fix direct to it . I always use ditra or similar but I have to wonder in this situation if it still would of failed