Mates rates

[Gazzer]

One of my mates who is the IT game has had me do some tiling for him in the past on a number of jobs. Everytime he always want diamond set and borders. It is never simple with him. Well he has just moved house again and wants some work done. 1st job is a small bathroom floor. Its only about 3m2 but he wants travertine with a glass mosaic border. The travertine is 12mm and the mosaic is 7.5mm. The floor is a chipboard floor so I have said it needs backerboard as its solid. I also need to back up the difference in heioght between the 2 types of tile. Now I can either fill the difference where the mosaic will be going with adhesive and use the notched out piece of wood method or make the height with backerboard....anyway , either way its extra work. All he sees is its about 3m2 and should take me no time at all. Further more he wants me to cut around pan and pedestal and doesnt want them removed....so that would be more work.
I have explained all the issues and stated that all in it would take the best part of 2 days but that would include removing pan and pedestal ( unless there were other issues)
Now do you think I am being unreasonable ? I know its only a small job but I think to do it right then it will be over the one day he is expecting. Of course I am asking 2 days money and his point is that I tiled a kitchen floor for him last year and that it was 12m2 and I got it all done in one day...but it was fairly easy.
Anyway here is a sketch of what he wants, bare in mind that there is a pan and ped in there too and notice the whole bathroom is at an angle !!!!

 

[Mike]

i'd want the pan and pedestal out first and give him a price for the job, if he's not happy let him find somebody else. you'll be cutting your own throat by doing it too cheap, it's your livelihood. i have to charge my mates normal rate, unless it's a little job which i can do in the evening

 

[Gazzer]

Oh I have already told him to get more quotes. I am quite happy that anyone will need more than a day.
Taking pan etc out could take an hour depending on how they are fixed.
Then the backer boards need fixing. Thats all before a tile is laid.
Its coloured grout too and even with rapid set adhesives I like an overnight drying before grouting.

 

[Martyn Leeds]

All he sees is its about 3m2 and should take me no time at all.

Its doing my head'in recently from potential customers telling me how small the job is, how easy it is, its only a few cuts, shouldn't take you long etc...

I think usually its just a ploy to for them to get the upper hand in telling you what timescales/price they're expecting.. even though it it was that easy, they'd be doing it themselves.

but back to your mate! i'd allow 2 days & def remove the loo & sink, looks a lot nicer, easier cuts etc. I never enjoy cutting round toilets myself

 

[Max@ableskills]

Some people have not got a clue. There is a lot of work involved with this job. Two days is fair. Just because it's a small area does not make the job easy.

 

[Stewart]

I always charge full price for friends and family and I never give discount....... They are treated like any other customer and are more than welcome to get other quotes to see what's involved in the job.

 

[Ian]

I'm a bit like that now Stewart. I have mates who are brickies, plumbers, roofers, plasterers etc, and have done work for them in the past in exchange for them doing work on my home and surprise surprise, they're too busy to return the favour when its their turn. Very frustrating.

 

[doug boardley]

same here Brian. I just ask them now, "Would you go off to work and give me a chunk of your wages?? No?, well that's what you're asking me to do!"

 

[Gazzer]

I'm a bit like that now Stewart. I have mates who are brickies, plumbers, roofers, plasterers etc, and have done work for them in the past in exchange for them doing work on my home and surprise surprise, they're too busy to return the favour when its their turn. Very frustrating.

Hmmm so its not just me that has happened too then. This guy is the same but then I dont have much need for an IT guy.

 

[Ian]

Can cause a bit of tension! Its a situation I try and avoid at all costs if I can!

 

[Deleted member 9966]

No you're not being unreasonable Neale. tell him how you want to do the job and the price you'll charge for that job. end of discussion because you've explained the finer points to him before. maybe you have to be blunt now.

 

[tfs]

If it was my mate, I would let him know that I wanted to do it right for him and esnure that he gets the best finnish possible and to do this requires removal of the pan etc. Cutting round that with backer board and with tiles at 45 degree will take more time when pan is installled and compromises finnish. You may not even get full tiles to fit around a toilet without spliting them etc.

If he knows how passionate you are about doing the job to the highest standard etc then he will know what to expect from now on.

The fact the you are going to be putting great effort and thought into the layout makes it even more different than just firing down some tiles.

stick to your guns mate! unless you are happy enough to work the way he preffers. If you are giving him a reduced mates rate then your price should beat any reputable tilers quote I reckon.

 

[Dan]

I see it like this. There are a few mates I'd do the job for nowt for, as they'd do the same for me. Though then there are mates (pub aquaintants) that if they want the job done they'd have to pay normal price. And when they say why? I say, well, you're my mate aren't you so wouldn't you want to give me the work? Left with them if they take it and most would.

A mate should be willing to pay you what the job's worth. And they're always welcome to see what you're charging is fair. You can give 'em all the "can you justs..." for free perhaps which is Going the Extra Mile (GEMing them).

I have a mechanic mate, I do his website FOC, he does my servicing and MOT's FOC (parts only). Win:win. But if he didn't have anything to offer me I wouldn't mind doing his website FOC or tiling FOC but he'd need to give me a hand.

 

[Colour Republic]

10 full tiles - 16 cuts - then mosaic in an area you can't move in. I'd charge him 3 days for being a pain

If somebody questions the price I would say, fine let's see if we can do something in your budget... "How about vinyl tiles Sir?"

 

[bootsmckiber]

Your friends should respect you enough for your knowledge in the trade not to question you and should also realize that as a friend you're giving him a reasonable price not ripping him off,just because he's a freind it doesn't make bread and butter any cheaper.If he doesn't understand the time issue of prep work,take the price you have in mind for two days work divide it by 16 hours then tell him"okay,we'll do it this way instead,forget the $400:00 for two days work,my hourly wage is $35:00 an hour.That way 35x16=$560:00 so you come out ahead and he thinks he's paying you by the hour not the job.Or say,"my hourly rate is $35:00 per hour ,but since you're a friend I'll do it for $25:00 that way it's the same price as the 2 day job rate plus if you happen to take longer you still get your extra money.

 

[cornish_crofter]

I started on mates rates for all our friends.

As time goes on you realise who will repay the favour. Some very good friends of ours were getting a fixed discount on my hourly rate. She ran a business selling custom embroidered clothing - with company logo etc on it.

Bearing in mind that they were getting the friends' rate, I was rather suprised when she didn't take the opportunity to reciprocate with her prices when I enquired about some T shirts.

The friends' rate was 'phased out' in their case. They're still good customers of mine and they are still good friends.

A completely different example - one of my friends is a Quantity Surveyor and sometimes helps me with pricing and contacts on jobs. His house is often needing little jobs. One such example was changing bath taps. His plumber had let him down but he had bought the taps. So one day I went and fitted them for him. For little jobs in his case I simply charge materials. I fitted his taps in a spare hour I had. Another time I unblocked his drain. However he has helped me in pricing for UPVC fascia jobs and a couple of other areas where I didn't have the experience at the time - all FOC.

It's unusual when a reciprocal arrangement works well, but when it does, it works very well.

 

[Davesax]

A proper mate will trust you enough to just let you get on with it and trust your judgement .
If this isn't the case , charge him what you'd normally charge - simple.

 

[Ajax123]

If tiling was your hobby and you were doing it for pocket money then mates rates are fine but when it is your profession and your living you have to apply different rules. if he is not happy to pay you the going rate then walk away in my opinion. I often get asked to sort out cheap prices for mates for screeds and concretes. If I can do it without detriment to myself then fine - if not sorry folks its full price or no delivery.......

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Mates !:lol::lol:

If I had any mates I'd charge more.

 

[hillhead]

Most of my mates are well enough off for normal rates.
I make no difference, mind you rates are bad here anyway.

 

[White Room]

I've many favours over the years and only one (which was a return favour job) and had to wait long enough for that..

My two brothers would be a freebie but anyone else, forget it.

Todays favour is tomorrows job.

 

[Gazzer]

Well in the end he got his floor tiled. Wasnt to my liking really but he loves it. He even saw where I was coming from regarding costs involved due to it being more complicated. I removed and refitted bath panels, Pedestal and Pan, again he saw the sense....but now wants his hall way tiled in 600x 600 marble diamond set but cant see why I am wanting the skirtings off.
He is also trying to source the cheapest marble available.

 

[DHTiling]

And you will tile it..:lol:

 

[Gazzer]

for a price Dave, of course !

 

[Deleted member 9966]

tell your mate you're fully booked and pass him deano's number

 

[Gazzer]

tell your mate you're fully booked and pass him deano's number

he is thick skinned ( read as stupid) and he would wait for me......he waited long enough for this.

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

nice tidy job N, one for JOTM

 

[The D]

tell your mate you're fully booked and pass him deano's number

you saying I'm cheep :11:

 

[Gazzer]

you saying I'm cheep :11:

No Dean, but when you gave him a price he would snatch my hand off at twice my rate :lol::lol::lol:

 

[nybor62]

mates rates , im afraid them days are gone