dot and dab

[White Room]

Had to repair a shower where the tiles had been dot and dabbed with tub stuff, About 12mm thick:huh2:

 

[pjtiler]

some jobs you can spot and some jobs you cant
(and definitely not floors )
the trick is knowing when to spot and when not too
when the techy,s can look at jobs 25/30 years down the road and there still as good as the day they were fixed then i,ll change my ways
theory's great i,ll stick to experience

 

[faceman]

I'm trying to work out exactly what the technical negative is about dot and dabbing. Is it the coverage issue or something else. I'd like to hear away the positive and the negative.

 

[tiler burden]

spot fixing can still remain on the wall for 30 years!! my dad (rightly or wrongly) did our old kitchen that way for some reason in the early 70's but the tile world has moved on alot since then.

spot fixing is more prone to weak spots, water penetration and silver fish infestations!!

 

[murf]

the technique is still used today on floors by marble and stone fixers.I have seen many a good job done in this way and the results were perfectly fine. The trick is to use enough dots so that when the tile is tapped into place it is well enough bedded.

 

[faceman]

Thanks Murf. I was looking for somebody who had a positive reply. I understand you need to solid bad in wet areas, but when you're tiling with big tiles in other areas dot and dabbing gives you the ability to get perfect flat reults.

 

[Rab78]

I recently finished tiling a bathrrom, brick effect ceramic tiles, had to use dot n dab to get flat results. I used dunlop set fast plus dotting 4cubic cm 2 inch apart, this would ensure good adherence but skim the backs of the tile to help resist water penetration, you could also skim the walls all the same. I will grout with brilliant white fix-n-grout and pack in well to give support to the corners of each tile.

I rarely use dot n dab, its not good to use this technique with pre-mixed adhesives as its designed to stay wet and fresh at greater thicknesses. In fact avoid pre-mixed adhesive altogether I say, and keep that for kitchens as many ppl nowaday have showers on their baths. I know not to dot-n-dab floors.

Make up your own minds about what technique suits you as a tiler, albeit it depends on the job, but bring with that a better sense of professionalism when doing so.

 

[Branty]

I recently finished tiling a bathrrom, brick effect ceramic tiles, had to use dot n dab to get flat results. I used dunlop set fast plus dotting 4cubic cm 2 inch apart, this would ensure good adherence but skim the backs of the tile to help resist water penetration, you could also skim the walls all the same. I will grout with brilliant white fix-n-grout and pack in well to give support to the corners of each tile.

I rarely use dot n dab, its not good to use this technique with pre-mixed adhesives as its designed to stay wet and fresh at greater thicknesses. In fact avoid pre-mixed adhesive altogether I say, and keep that for kitchens as many ppl nowaday have showers on their baths. I know not to dot-n-dab floors.

Make up your own minds about what technique suits you as a tiler, albeit it depends on the job, but bring with that a better sense of professionalism when doing so.

Paisley, Dot and Dab, Dunlop. Could be one for you James.

 

[The D]

Could someone please tell what are the problems and pitfalls of spot fixing.

These tiles were spot fixed two years ago and look at the damage in that short time.
There seems to be some confusion on the dot and dab debate. The old method of fixing tiles in sand and cement is not dot and dab.
This is solid bed. Yes you put a dot of sand and cement on the wall but the tiles were taped back into the blob creating pretty much a solid bed. This was don on solid walls and the reason it is not don now is the backgrounds have changed.
The spot fix method (five spots on the back of the tile) was used in the sixties when the tub adhesives were first being developed although there may still be some jobs that are still on the wall from the sixties using this method for every one that is still up there are one hundred that have fallen off. The adhesive manufacturers do not approve this method and now one with any credibility approves it.
In my humble opinion the odd spot of extra adhesive to compensate for the incompetence of the plasterer is the maximum you should be doing.

 

[smurf21]

spot fixing baggsys not taking tiles of a wall that was spot fixed 30 years ago. compo fixed str8 onto brickwork...you cant use spot fixing method with todays addy cuz it wont set above 3mm thick but jesus the old spot fix method was one hell of a method..( THANK GOD ITS GONE) ITS EASIER TO CARRY 2 10LTR TUBS OF ADDY THAN 6 BAGS OF SAND CEMENT AND A BLOODY SHOVEL..LOL:hurray::8: