External mitre profiling tool

[rainsco]

i cut all my mitres with a wet saw but i want to have a tool to refinish or do mitres on 120cm tiles.
on marmomacc i try this one:
GHINES - REDLINE - MARBLE AND STONE WORKING MACHINES

but i don´t know if grinding is suitable daily for porcelain gres. i think cutting is more economic.
but i want to test this. do you ship to germany?

 

[Concrete guy]

i cut all my mitres with a wet saw but i want to have a tool to refinish or do mitres on 120cm tiles.
on marmomacc i try this one:
GHINES - REDLINE - MARBLE AND STONE WORKING MACHINES

but i don´t know if grinding is suitable daily for porcelain gres. i think cutting is more economic.
but i want to test this. do you ship to germany?

I can ship to Germany.

I will post on this thread when the tools are ready. I will probably get 10 or so made to see if it's a viable tool and to see if people actually want to buy it.

Interesting link you provided to another tool that fixes to a grinder. Do you know how much the Easy Bevel costs?

Also how does it cut an external bevel? Do you have to cut with the tile upside down?

EDIT: I've watched the video and it's not quite the same thing, this is a bevel machine to put an arris on the edge of a surface. I'm creating a tool to cut a mitre to allow external mitred corners to be produced without having to go to the expense of a stone router.

 

[Gazzer]

[video=youtube;tIH9VpnLkus]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tIH9VpnLkus[/video]

 

[rainsco]

the easy bevel is just for an idea of a better and more professional mitre wizz version. i like the idea of using a standard grinder into a funktional fence.

 

[Concrete guy]

^ I'm thinking that looks like an expensive solution to a problem that's doesn't exist.

Many of the stone masons I know use a vanity blade for arris's. If they want something more profiled or more accurate they use a stone router, which they invariably have.

Whilst that tool above clearly works well I'm not sure I can see the market for it, can you?

 

[Tony73]

I will deffinetly buy MITRE MIZZ . And it's going to last long, becouse i cut most mitres with wet saw, but some times i have 2 or 3 reccesess on one large tile. So it's E,U,L shape tiles with mitred corners and it's hard to do that on dw2400. That is where this tool will be needed :hurray:

 

[rainsco]

i think i m the (only?) market. i do a lot of mitres and most of the time with porcelain gres (feinsteinzeug). this is diffrent to the work of stone masons. a stone mason often works with marble and granit and sandstone but porcelaingres is diffrent. they often cut thru the material with bridge saws. thats diffrent to tiles because mostly we have to cut direktly on the edge. porcelaingres is very crisp too. i do´t know if a stone router can save and economic make mitres?
if you want to do a perfect edge to a 100cm long tile you have a problem with the most portable wet saws because the tiles are often not 100% flat and the blades or tiles drifting away. and often you need 46 or 47 degrees.
so i want a tool for the site to refinish. a tool that can perfekt calibrated and its save enouth.
and i want something to do 2.50 m long perfect mitres. i look at a portable wet saw with 300cm from kaufmann and the AccuGlide MiterMaster attachment for miter cuts - miter, miters, cut, granite, marble, stone, saw, rail, track
rail saw from accuglide. or a stone rooter. i have to test. i buy all and test it

 

[Concrete guy]

Factory drawings are back. I've ordered 10 to start us off to see how you guys like them.

We have the option to manufacture these in one of 3 grit levels.

Coarse - 40/50 grit (the image of the r10 tool above is 40/50).
Medium - 70/80
Fine - 140/180

As this isn't a finished edge that's seen we've decided to go with coarse which will give the fastest and long lasting tool of all three. We can always alter that with later production of we need to but we think it will provide the best tool for purpose.

The cost will be £68.15 + vat (£81.78) + P&P - I will ship international at cost if required.

We're likely to see these within the next 4 weeks.

If you have an interest in one of these first 10 then let me know and we'll earmark one for you.

I'll post images on this thread when they arrive.

 

[One Day]

I'd be VERY interested. For back-mitres there is simply no need for a quality finish - just stock removal as quickly as possible without damaging the cut edge.
This would save a lot of time compared to the wet mitreing I've been doing on my Dewalt.

 

[Concrete guy]

Reserved list (including anyone who expressed an interest earlier in the thread).

It looks like I need to up the order already.

If you want to add your name simply copy this post - add it on and post.

Same if you want off the list.

1. Impish
2. Sir Ramic
3. graythetiler
4. andy tiler
5. Tony73
6. poynton phil
7. AliGage
8. Alan.P
9. Wingn
10. cam_Low
11. rainsco

 

[Gazzer]

Its something I would like in my toolkit.

 

[rainsco]

i think like impish. maximum grit is 60.
is your coating for wet and dry?

here is a something like that tool from monolit:
http://www.montolit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/diamond-bevel-profiles.jpg

 

[Concrete guy]

^ very similar indeed but on the bullnose and radius tools I prefer to use a stainless steel guide. This mitre tool will have a plastic guide like the images above.

These are vacuum brazed diamond tools so will work wet or dry. Wet will last longer.

The big advantage of vacuum brazed is they don't lose their shape with wear and they don't drop diamonds, so it's ideal technology for this kind of tool that is creating a uniform shape.

 

[Tony73]

Factory drawings are back. I've ordered 10 to start us off to see how you guys like them.

We have the option to manufacture these in one of 3 grit levels.

Coarse - 40/50 grit (the image of the r10 tool above is 40/50).
Medium - 70/80
Fine - 140/180

As this isn't a finished edge that's seen we've decided to go with coarse which will give the fastest and long lasting tool of all three. We can always alter that with later production of we need to but we think it will provide the best tool for purpose.

The cost will be £68.15 + vat (£81.78) + P&P - I will ship international at cost if required.

We're likely to see these within the next 4 weeks.

If you have an interest in one of these first 10 then let me know and we'll earmark one for you.

I'll post images on this thread when they arrive.

I'll take one
. should i PM you? can i pay now ? :hurray:

 

[Concrete guy]

I'll take one
. should i PM you? can i pay now ? :hurray:

We can organise all that when they get here Tony, your name is on the list so you have one of the first in reserved.

For lowish value items of this nature I'm not overly keen on taking money off people until I actually have the items sat in front of me.

If someone is ordering 500 off I want see some cash!

 

[Concrete guy]

Reserved list (including anyone who expressed an interest earlier in the thread).

It looks like I need to up the order already.

If you want to add your name simply copy this post - add it on and post.

Same if you want off the list.

1. Impish
2. Sir Ramic
3. graythetiler
4. andy tiler
5. Tony73
6. poynton phil
7. AliGage
8. Alan.P
9. Wingn
10. cam_Low
11. rainsco

Order list so far ^

 

[Tony73]

Thanks for that . You see i have criticized MITRE WIZZ heavily, as didn't see nothink serious. What you have here , could be the tool which sits in most tilers tool box

 

[Concrete guy]

Thanks for that . You see i have criticized MITRE WIZZ heavily, as didn't see nothink serious. What you have here , could be the tool which sits in most tilers tool box

That would be good. It's odd little items like this that often surprise us.

 

[One Day]

Quick - register the design. Patent it. Do summink! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Two-Trowels]

Thanks for that . You see i have criticized MITRE WIZZ heavily, as didn't see nothink serious. What you have here , could be the tool which sits in most tilers tool box

Perhaps I'm missing something here but the principle of both is broadly the same - a hand held tool for mitres.

Both look to be good options.

 

[Tony73]

Perhaps I'm missing something here but the principle of both is broadly the same - a hand held tool for mitres.

Both look to be good options.

MITRE WIZZ IS ACTUAL ANGE GRINDER, in video clip they cut mitre , i believe on ceramic tile (wich is soft) . With mitre wizz you don't see what you are doing, does it fit on any angle grinder? etc. etc.etc. I just realy want to try this new tool , i think it has potential. It's only my opinion

 

[One Day]

The age-old trouble with cutting mitres on tiles - particularly porcelain - is the jagged edges.
Mitre-wizz as far as I can tell, doesn't address that bit of the problem.
This tool though would leave a nice clean 1mm "lip" of either factory-edge, or our wet-cut edge.

 

[Two-Trowels]

MITRE WIZZ IS ACTUAL ANGE GRINDER, in video clip they cut mitre , i believe on ceramic tile (wich is soft) . With mitre wizz you don't see what you are doing, does it fit on any angle grinder? etc. etc.etc. I just realy want to try this new tool , i think it has potential. It's only my opinion

This tool definitely has the potential to be better as I would think the cut itself would be better than a grinder blade cut, it appears that the cut itself would be obscured from view by the tool itself.

Is this new tool designed to be used dry with a grinder?

 

[Concrete guy]

This tool definitely has the potential to be better as I would think the cut itself would be better than a grinder blade cut, it appears that the cut itself would be obscured from view by the tool itself.

Is this new tool designed to be used dry with a grinder?

Yes it's designed for use on a grinder wet or dry (wet will extend tool life). The only thing I'm not absolutely sure on right now is the target cutting speed.

I've assumed it will be close to the marble bullnose tools we sell at under 4500. But I have a feeling that porcelain actually might benefit from high speed cutting/grinding so that may even open up the tool use more if were able to be used at say 10,000rpm on your average grinder.

I've come from a stone background so have a limited knowledge of profiling porcelain, but I will confirm target speed before the items are sent out.

 

[rainsco]

i have vacuum brazed drills for dry and wet use for a variable speed grinder. i prefer diamant drills in wet use but sometimes i don´t have my hole drilling machine by me. so the vacuum brazed works perfekt in marble and granit but on porcelain stoneware it works not smooth and if you don´t use it wet theres no long life. so i will try your tool, cause i can use it for natural stone by the way. but i personaly would prefer a big coating of diamant, only wet use and adjustable rings when shape is smaller.


in this video on 6.28min you see the bullnose tool on porcelain stoneware.
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