Has anyone got work in Liverpool?

[tiler burden]

raja, i have just raised a few fair points. the best thing to do with this thread is move on. if you knew me then you would no that i judge people soley on what they stand for only! i dont want to cause offence to anybody, that is the last intention. i stand by what i say, come over here and enjoy everything the uk has to offer but demand more money, dont work cheaply, get what your worth..

hi jonnie, the foreign lads in the lpool squad are here because of 2 reasons.

1. they are the best that money can buy! you dont see torres working for less than crouch tho do you!!
2. they are actually cheaper to buy than the top english players.

i have lived in liverpool all my life and there is no more cosmopolitian city than ours and you are right we are entreupeneurial and we are fighters pity the rest of our country dont have the same opinion but then again most of the people who knock us havent been here??

anyway, no hard feelings from me, and i hope i havent caused any offence, if i have, i apologise and i will remove any posts if thats the case. i havent had a problem with anyone on here and i dont want to start now :0)

ed

 

[JOHNNYCLARKE]

TILER BURDEN

Agree with most of your post.

But I do think that an employer like myself who employs legit foreign labour for more than 25% of his workforce but less than 50% is giving something to the government.
They all get paid in accordance with their skill and worth just as per an english tiler who is an employee.
So no cheap labour .
All taxes paid plus my employer contributions for each foreign and every employee which is alot more than some pay in dues!

AND I AM WITH EVERYONE ON THIS.
I DONT CHARGE MYSELF OUT AT CHEAP PRICES .
CHARGE THE GOING RATE FOR THE CLASS OF WORK I OFFER .

AND IT DOES WORK.
HOW IS THAT?



JOHNNY

 

[Raja]

raja, i have just raised a few fair points. the best thing to do with this thread is move on. if you knew me then you would no that i judge people soley on what they stand for only! i dont want to cause offence to anybody, that is the last intention. i stand by what i say, come over here and enjoy everything the uk has to offer but demand more money, dont work cheaply, get what your worth..

hi jonnie, the foreign lads in the lpool squad are here because of 2 reasons.

1. they are the best that money can buy! you dont see torres working for less than crouch tho do you!!
2. they are actually cheaper to buy than the top english players.

i have lived in liverpool all my life and there is no more cosmopolitian city than ours and you are right we are entreupeneurial and we are fighters pity the rest of our country dont have the same opinion but then again most of the people who knock us havent been here??

anyway, no hard feelings from me, and i hope i havent caused any offence, if i have, i apologise and i will remove any posts if thats the case. i havent had a problem with anyone on here and i dont want to start now :0)

ed

U have not offended me at all i am happy u uhave come on and said ur piece u come across as an intelligent man and i like that.

You seem to justify ur points unlike the thread starter who to put it politely is suffering from tunnel vision.

As for football i do not follow but think i remember 1 fact 1966 was a key date in football :lol:

 

[devonmark]

Very unfair to blame 1 particular type of nationality

I am a little asian lad cud say the same about every white man who is also a tiler

Steriotyping comes to mind

Raja, talking of being little....when you pull up at lights where do your stabiliser come out from..they are hidden really well....lol

 

[sWe]

We've the same problem over here in Sweden, with (mostly) eastern europeans being employed for less than what a Swedish worker could even pay rent with.

They pack themselves into tiny apartments in the shoddy areas of cities (or live in cars or at sites), live off substandard food, and work 14 hours a day, 7 days a week (which, by the way, is against Swedish labour law).

For example, I met a couple of Lithuanians at a site last year. They told me they lived off nothing but cheap chease, cheap bread, and even cheaper coffee. They also told me that whatever they didn't need themselves, and whatever they didn't send to their families, they used to import cheap alcohol and cigarettes, which they either used themselves, or sold. The proceeds went into doing the same thing again and again.

I've got no trouble with the ones who actually move here, and live by the same rules and conventions as the "natives". However, those who accept pittance for pay and dump the prices, devalue everyone else's work, including mine, and that makes me bloody livid.

Ultimatly, it's the fault of those who hire them, but it's the "poles" (which has become slang for everyone of eastern european decent now...) who get most of the blame. I've met a few "good" migrant workers, but most of the ones I've met have been completely mindless dollar-drones who take pride in being the cheapest of the truly cheap. That is worthy of, atleast, my resentment.

(Add.)If I was a migrant worker, and undercharged that much, and lived under that bad conditions, I wouldn't feel pride, I'd feel shame! Shame for whoring myself, and for shame for soiling the reputation of my country and my countrymen!

 

[tiler burden]

so thats sorted then raja, you and me life long buddies ;0)

and jonnien well done mate for paying your foreign workers the going rate. glad you are not taking advantage in the way some business people are, your a credit to liverpool!! evn tho you moved away when you were 1 yr old lol,,seriously mate, i know you are a well travelled guy and i also hear what you are saying :0)

regards
ed

 

[JOHNNYCLARKE]

sWe

cant blame em for bringing their own grogg.

I did a few jobs in a castle near Kristanstad ten years back and we were paying
£ 6.00 a pint!!
Mind you the spectacle at 2am after the locals came out of hiding from their own pochine induced fuggle for last orders, and the antics and offers that ensued made it a country to remember!!
Dont think you pay tax on potato peelings , do you?

Hardly saw much of the local tradesforce as they were too busy warming their arses on the heated loo seats!!

JOHNNY

 

[Raja]

we r all friends on here

 

[sWe]

sWe

cant blame em for bringing their own grogg.

I did a few jobs in a castle near Kristanstad ten years back and we were paying
£ 6.00 a pint!!
Mind you the spectacle at 2am after the locals came out of hiding from their own pochine induced fuggle for last orders, and the antics and offers that ensued made it a country to remember!!
Dont think you pay tax on potato peelings , do you?

Hardly saw much of the local tradesforce as they were too busy warming their arses on the heated loo seats!!

JOHNNY

I don't blame them for bringing their own drink; I blame them for removing money from the Swedish economy any way they can; for example, by selling alcohol they imported, and then sending the proceeds abroad. And that's not even mentioning taxes.

£6 for a pint? What?! I rarely pay more than £4 for imported beer, and that's at pubs! If I go to the systembolaget, which is the chain of stores with monopoly on selling alcohol in Sweden, I can get premium imported beer for just under £3... You must've bought it somewhere VERY expensive.

 

[JOHNNYCLARKE]

to be fair it was a bar with cover charge and music ( not live ) but worth it none the less when you spend all week in a small village which is absolutely dead.

I know where youre coming from sWE , but i just started to dream back to foreign travails and fond memories.
Like heating the frozen sand in the morning for a mix, if you could find it under the snow, before you could even think about earning a crust!!

johnny

 

[sWe]

to be fair it was a bar with cover charge and music ( not live ) but worth it none the less when you spend all week in a small village which is absolutely dead.

Ah, figures

I know where youre coming from sWE , but i just started to dream back to foreign travails and fond memories.
Like heating the frozen sand in the morning for a mix, if you could find it under the snow, before you could even think about earning a crust!!

johnny

Ah, I know that feeling. My "fond" memories are of Iceland Tried my hand at farming, among other things. Lets just say, it wasn't for me...

 

[penno]

"They all just bloody come over here sit on their arses, get a free house and goverment pays for everything"

or

"come over here and take all our jobs"

Poor people can't bloody win.

 

[GazTech]

Can I ask everyone, would you take the opportunity for your family, if you were in their position.?....and be honest................Gaz

 

[sWe]

Can I ask everyone, would you take the opportunity for your family, if you were in their position.?....and be honest................Gaz

Sure, but I'd make bloody sure I was getting a wage which was fair and proportional to my knowledge and experience. No point in going abroad to work if you're starving at home, only to starve as much abroad. It's not like it's impossibe.

Proper, serious construction companies over here scream for manpower, and those who know a trade and atleast a few words of english, should have no trouble getting employed at a fair rate. I figure that many of the guest workers who come here think they have no choice but to accept crap wages and conditions, because they're guest workers. I think that's bull****, and I've met a few guest workers who would agree.

 

[sptiling]

Vote Ed for prime minister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!