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[pjtiler]

GrumpyGrouter has explained quite clearly why this message has appeared and i dont see a problem with it at all.
As for the tags, thats the way it is and always been for as long as i have known. When anyone who is starting out in tiling , maybe completed a course in tiling etc eventually gets his/her business cards or a sign written van. They are hardly likely to advertise as "Wall and Floor Tiling Newbie with limited experience" are they? They would have something like "Wall and Floor Tiling Specialist"
Its purely a Tag and hardly worth a discussion IMO

like it or not its false advertising
theres telling the paying public theres something there clearly not

 

[Gazzer]

http://www.tilersforums.com/links-site-updates-suggestions-feedback/8946-groups-forum.html

 

[grumpygrouter]

like it or not its false advertising
theres telling the paying public theres something there clearly not

Don't see why it would be false advertising. All they are doing is letting people know of a service that they can provide. Whethere their standards are as high or higher than someone else doing the same job is irrelevant, it is up to the potential customer to satisfy themselves that they can provide them with an adequate service. it is after all a free market economy. You have the choice of shopping at Tesco or Sainsbury, you make that choice on what your perceived requirements are.

Whether a person has been tiling 2 weeks or 10 years they are entitled to market themselves as they see fit as long as it does not contravene the laws of the land. Having "Floor and Wall Tiling Specialist" on your van or documentation does not contravene any laws as far as I am aware!

 

[pjtiler]

Don't see why it would be false advertising. All they are doing is letting people know of a service that they can provide. Whethere their standards are as high or higher than someone else doing the same job is irrelevant, it is up to the potential customer to satisfy themselves that they can provide them with an adequate service. it is after all a free market economy. You have the choice of shopping at Tesco or Sainsbury, you make that choice on what your perceived requirements are.

Whether a person has been tiling 2 weeks or 10 years they are entitled to market themselves as they see fit as long as it does not contravene the laws of the land. Having "Floor and Wall Tiling Specialist" on your van or documentation does not contravene any laws as far as I am aware!

and there was me wondering why the building trade was getting such a bad name
the future's Bright the future's cowboys & chances

 

[devonmark]

aye its ok to give out yellow cards ive no problem with that

but i would like to know the specific post that brought on the refs displeasure
oh and while I'm on my soap box
why give people the professional tiler tag when its blatantly obverse they have absolutely no idea how to do the job and have only completed a couple of weeks in some training school
it makes a mockery of the trade i served a seven year apprenticeship too
end of rant
i,ll get my coat

7yrs, bit of a slow learner ? he,he

 

[DHTiling]

The Tilers Forums Arms is a forum that is hidden from standard registered members.

There are many topics discussed int he Tilers Forums Arms out of the eyes of your customers, and the rest of the internet.

Dan

Things discussed in the Tilers Forums Arms include those related to; Pricing and Pricing Advice, 'Trouble' Customers, Tips related to Gaining Extra Tiling Work, General Tiling Business Runnings, The Odd Joke (we all like a laugh) and anything else that we thought would be best suited out of the reach of the rest of the world.

The notice is just a reminder to tilers arms members to keep such threads in the correct forum....Some arms members have been posting unsuitable threads in the public forums.....
This is not to be taken personally ..just a reminder to post in the right forum..for certain threads....that is all........

And as for being a professional tiler to be in the arms then the arms is for all tilers..new or old....

Now the Elite members then we know they are pro's...and they can be trusted....

So stop worrying over a little notice..........thanks...

 

[Fekin]

I understand where you are coming from pjtiler, but it's just the wording that you are maybe mixing up.

Professional; following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.

So really, anyone could decide one day to start to do anything for means of livelihood or gain and are classed as a professional in that trade, though as too their experiance or knowledge in their profession, well that's a different matter isn't it.

Now if the forum tags said "Expert" to any unknown member then yeah you'd be right in what you are saying

 

[pjtiler]

I understand where you are coming from pjtiler, but it's just the wording that you are maybe mixing up.



So really, anyone could decide one day to start to do anything for means of livelihood or gain and are classed as a professional in that trade, though as too their experiance or knowledge in their profession, well that's a different matter isn't it.

Now if the forum tags said "Expert" to any unknown member then yeah you'd be right in what you are saying

its not my understanding of the English language i,m worried about
its the poor sods who employ these people
with "professional " and "specialist" plastered all over there vans, there the one who are paying for the services of a bonifide trades persons
the sooner the government bring in some regulation such as beefing up the trust-mark scheme the better
then maybe the paying public will get what they believe there paying for
i cant believe its only me that care about this trades reputation and that of the construction industry in general
oh and one for the smart arse
i was a bound apprentice seven years was the contract my dad signed that was normal practice it the "olden days " it cost him £100 bond for my indenture's too

 

[White Room]

I've done two posts in the tilers forums arms and both have appeared in the regular forum???????:huh2:

 

[Fekin]

its not my understanding of the English language i,m worried about
its the poor sods who employ these people
with "professional " and "specialist" plastered all over there vans, there the one who are paying for the services of a bonifide trades persons
the sooner the government bring in some regulation such as beefing up the trust-mark scheme the better
then maybe the paying public will get what they believe there paying for
i cant believe its only me that care about this trades reputation and that of the construction industry in general
oh and one for the smart arse
i was a bound apprentice seven years was the contract my dad signed that was normal practice it the "olden days " it cost him £100 bond for my indenture's too

So exactly what is your view on say a person going on a 4 day tiling course, then after doing a few tiling jobs in their own home and friends, then going out and advertising as a Tiler with a sign written van ?

 

[pjtiler]

So exactly what is your view on say a person going on a 4 day tiling course, then after doing a few tiling jobs in their own home and friends, then going out and advertising as a Tiler with a sign written van ?

would you employ them ??
keeping up your theme lets say you have just bought 30m2 of carera marble say 90 quid a m2 its a 4 million pound house and the bathroom siut set you back 15 grand
of course you wouldnt (if you new )
get my drift
anyway nothing i say or do will change things so selavee

 

[DHTiling]

I've done two posts in the tilers forums arms and both have appeared in the regular forum???????:huh2:

That shouldn't happen!!!.. if it does give us a shout.....

 

[White Room]

its not my understanding of the English language i,m worried about
its the poor sods who employ these people
with "professional " and "specialist" plastered all over there vans, there the one who are paying for the services of a bonifide trades persons
the sooner the government bring in some regulation such as beefing up the trust-mark scheme the better
then maybe the paying public will get what they believe there paying for
i cant believe its only me that care about this trades reputation and that of the construction industry in general
oh and one for the smart arse
i was a bound apprentice seven years was the contract my dad signed that was normal practice it the "olden days " it cost him £100 bond for my indenture's too

I don't know how old you are but in 1971 I started in a plumbing and heating apprenticeship and that was five years then which I left, I don't know when they were reduced but plastering was five as well then reduced to three. I spoke to an apprentice in decorating about 13 years ago and after 6 months he was paper hanging. When I done decorating me and my brother was 3 months just knotting and priming skirtings and the like, And yes I do care for customers.

 

[Fekin]

would you employ them ??
keeping up your theme lets say you have just bought 30m2 of carera marble say 90 quid a m2 its a 4 million pound house and the bathroom siut set you back 15 grand
of course you wouldnt (if you new )
get my drift
anyway nothing i say or do will change things so selavee

Other end of the scale.

Mrs Smiths bathroom, not a 4 million pound house, just an everyday job in an everyday house, new tiler can do the job just as well to the eye as you can.... you still saying he shouldn't be allowed to work ?

 

[pjtiler]

I don't know how old you are but in 1971 I started in a plumbing and heating apprenticeship and that was five years then which I left, I don't know when they were reduced but plastering was five as well then reduced to three. I spoke to an apprentice in decorating about 13 years ago and after 6 months he was paper hanging. When I done decorating me and my brother was 3 months just knotting and priming skirtings and the like, And yes I do care for customers.

i started in 1962 aged 15 came out of my time in 1969 aged 21