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doug boardley
great minds think alike! ( or fools never differ!!):lol:
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stevee
hiya mate ,if the clients happy with the shower,job done in that area,as said have a beer, and good luck bud ,steve
Tileboy dont feel bad, I admire you for admitting your mistake and seeking advice,
Your first mistake was tiling the wall to the left of the door AND over the door, I would not tile over the door until both sides had been tiled as you could adjust the tiles over the door to compensate for any slight misalignment, it has to be here where you have lost your levels. I would take of these tiles above the door and redo.
One other thing, are you sure the tiles were from the same batch, Different batches made on different machines have been known to be different by a mm or two?
Good luck by the way
Your first mistake was tiling the wall to the left of the door AND over the door, I would not tile over the door until both sides had been tiled as you could adjust the tiles over the door to compensate for any slight misalignment, it has to be here where you have lost your levels. I would take of these tiles above the door and redo.
One other thing, are you sure the tiles were from the same batch, Different batches made on different machines have been known to be different by a mm or two?
Good luck by the way
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Spud
hello tile boy i hope i can offer you some good advice ,if you wish to learn any thing from this job you need to forget about how long you have spent or how much money you will or will not make on this bathroom , the standard of what you have done is un acceptible whether the architect or customer notices or not, you have to strip off what you have done and start again buy yourself some red wedge pegs as aswell as using your cross spacers, your levels need to be a good brand such as stabila or stanley fat max or fisco pro or use a pendulum laser level ,the vertical strip on the right hand side of the door is out of plumb and the tiles to the left of this are dropping on the right hand side by at least 2 mm per tile out of level doing anything else other than starting again will be a bodge and you will compromise your reputation and the shower floor does look awful please dont takeoffence this is meant as constructive criticism
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hillhead
Well said Gary,
damn good levels are a necessity,
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Fekin
Sorry, but I have not read everything yet, just upto this second page, but if this was me, and I had lost my level somewhere in a room to be as much out as this, then Im sorry but I would feel that I have absolutly no option but to own up to my mistake and rip off and start again.
If you don't come clean with the mess up, and they do notice the glaring level difference, then I wouldn't bank on either being paid, or not doing the other bathroom in that house, or both.
When you lose a line as bad as this mate, this is what seperates the cowboys from the rest, grit your teeth, come clean and do the right thing and rip off what needs ripping off and do a propper job.
Good luck
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I do agree with Ramic that the shower floor looks badly set out wise, but if no ones complained then fair do's.
If you don't come clean with the mess up, and they do notice the glaring level difference, then I wouldn't bank on either being paid, or not doing the other bathroom in that house, or both.
When you lose a line as bad as this mate, this is what seperates the cowboys from the rest, grit your teeth, come clean and do the right thing and rip off what needs ripping off and do a propper job.
Good luck
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I do agree with Ramic that the shower floor looks badly set out wise, but if no ones complained then fair do's.
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Although I have poor eye sight, I can see that the tile with the arrow marked on it in Picture B is thinner than all the rest. That's where you've lost your level, in my opinion. Have you checked the measurements of each tile in that area?
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Fekin
We DO see what you see mate, defo no argument there
Yes we are getting what you are saying.
Yep 🙂
The problem is that no one really worth their reputation is ever going to say "yeah, I'd leave it and hope no one sees it"
Only way really is to re-do the room, otherwise your only chancing the client to not pay for the work and trash your rep.
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Daz
Gary hit the nail on the head IMO - "the standard of what you have done is un acceptible".
You need to make good by following Daves' advice....take off the tiles on the RHS of the mosaic, draw a straight line and make good - that'll get you out of this hole and should make things look right.
For reference, I always tile above the door last as this is where you can lose small discrepencies, although 15mm is quite a lot, so don't know what went wrong without seeing the whole room.
Good luck with resolving matters.
You need to make good by following Daves' advice....take off the tiles on the RHS of the mosaic, draw a straight line and make good - that'll get you out of this hole and should make things look right.
For reference, I always tile above the door last as this is where you can lose small discrepencies, although 15mm is quite a lot, so don't know what went wrong without seeing the whole room.
Good luck with resolving matters.
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Colour Republic
If you lost the level where I mentioned earlier, you would only have to remove 8 tiles to get it level again
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sWe
Different sized tiles as far as I can see.
Edit: I stuck a ruler to my screen and the problem is definitely different sized tiles.
Edit: I stuck a ruler to my screen and the problem is definitely different sized tiles.
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Fekin
Fair enough, if the client likes the floor then good job
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Colour Republic
Ok, the more I look at it the more I think you have followed the door liner, an easy way to check this is to do the following:
Take a level and see were I have maked the dark blue line is level,
I think it will be:smilewinkgrin:
Next see if the grout lines in both the green boxes are the same top to bottom, in the picture it looks if they are smaller at the bottom then at the top, a sort of wedge shape. But pictures can be decieving so i may be wrong. TAKE NOTE: THESE HAVE TO BE THE SAME, if it is 3mm at the top and 2mm at the bottom, don't think 'oh it's only 1mm difference, that will be fine' these are quite long tiles and if you don't get the grout lines the same it can drop by as much as 6mm from one end of the tile to the other.
lastly if both of the above are true then take off the tiles i have marked in yellow and tile again, you may have to take off a few more to the left of the door, but if the tiles are level on the blue line then no tiles below this mark need to come off
Also, why have you not tiled to the ceiling? are you planning on putting a mosaic border at the top? If so, then you will have more problems if the ceiling is out of level. It would have been better to put a border 1 tile down from the top
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doug boardley
I believe a cornice/coving is going on, even so I think I'd have still yaken it to the topView attachment 3287
Ok, the more I look at it the more I think you have followed the door liner, an easy way to check this is to do the following:
Take a level and see were I have maked the dark blue line is level,
I think it will be:smilewinkgrin:
Next see if the grout lines in both the green boxes are the same top to bottom, in the picture it looks if they are smaller at the bottom then at the top, a sort of wedge shape. But pictures can be decieving so i may be wrong. TAKE NOTE: THESE HAVE TO BE THE SAME, if it is 3mm at the top and 2mm at the bottom, don't think 'oh it's only 1mm difference, that will be fine' these are quite long tiles and if you don't get the grout lines the same it can drop by as much as 6mm from one end of the tile to the other.
lastly if both of the above are true then take off the tiles i have marked in yellow and tile again, you may have to take off a few more to the left of the door, but if the tiles are level on the blue line then no tiles below this mark need to come off
Also, why have you not tiled to the ceiling? are you planning on putting a mosaic border at the top? If so, then you will have more problems if the ceiling is out of level. It would have been better to put a border 1 tile down from the top
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Colour Republic
I believe a cornice/coving is going on, even so I think I'd have still yaken it to the top
Well why didn't somebody say!! There's your answer, fit 3ft coving and it'll cover the wonky lines. DUH! I can't believe none of you thought of that before
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doug boardley
you're gonna have to read through all the posts mate, already covered that:lol::lol:
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Colour Republic
He cut that tile on purpose to fit it in, he knows it smaller becuase he did it:lol:
if you read his post he explains why
if you read his post he explains why
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Colour Republic
oh for the love of God! that's twice now Doug!:lol:
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Highlander
Sorry mate the out of level is least of your problems the slither cuts are hellish and as for the shower it is pants. Why did you not put the mosaic diagonal it looks like a diyer gone wrong but if your customer is happy with that I would not worry about it being out of level as they will think it is you being creative.
Be a man take it on the chin rip it up and start again learn from your mistakes.
Be a man take it on the chin rip it up and start again learn from your mistakes.
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curlycan
Don't you just hate it when people join a conversation halfway through:smilewinkgrin:.
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tileboy
Colour republic, heya...
8 tiles? How do u figure that one? My view is that all the lines vertically and horizontally around the room need to match up. Removing the right side wall as the guys suggest to the right of the mosaic strip and starting that point again to meet up nicely over the door will throw the back wall's grout lines out of whack by that 15mm. If not that wall then another wall somewhere else. I am struggling very hard to see how you guys think I can fix this in a simple way. I am trying though, it's just not making sense most of what's been said here. If you think 8 tiles then would it be a massive imposition on my part to ask you to copy one of the pics I've added as part of this post which best highlights the tiles ur thinking of and editing it with mspaint to mark the tiles you think I should change? If not then no worries, I'd appreciate any effort.
STRESSED !!!!
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doug boardley
I get it to nine, the ones above the middle of the doorway and the ones to the right of the doorway,from the ceiling down to and including the cut one
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Colour Republic
You're looking at it all wrong, if your tiles at the bottom are on you level datum the back wall will line up, don't worry about it
Try and take some more pictures, when you take them try and keep the camera level with the wall, face the wall head on and take a shot, side step and take another, take as may as you can and create an album in your user profile, the more pictures the better.
Do that and we can take a look and if it's were i think it is i'll edit your photos to see if it will work.
You are trying to hard to see the problem, confusing yourself and are missing the obvious.
Many experianced tilers and for that matter carpenters, would walk straight into that room and spot your mistake in an instant. I'm afraid that only comes with experiance and you'll have to wait maybe another 5 years before you see these things straight away. We've all been there and hope to help you out.
take a break, have a cup of tea and clear your mind. Walk back into that room and look at it a fresh. forget everything you've measured and checkd and do it again... you'll get there in the end.
But in the mean time upload those photos and we'll spot it for you
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tileboy
Ha ha, I said in my original post that started this that the reason I didn't tile to the top is because a cornice is going in. In South Africa we call coving "cornicing". Otherwise I'd have defo tiled to the roof. I'd never be so blatant!!!
Then, to colour republic....Mate, you're the (DO NOT SWEAR). You took the time to make me a picture and explain to me visually what you were talking about. Thats what I was hoping for right from the start, THANK YOU!!!
So imagine 6mm plus another 6mm over two tiles? Bloody hell 12mm? if a third then possibly more than that...See now how i'm starting to see how what seems as no grout line alteration (apparently) seemed to be the problem. Above the door there is no clear saggin to the right of the tiles so I will go check that first thing 2mo morning.
The dark blue line? I was getting at that the whole time but no one seemed to understand...What I did with the laser was do the same as your dark blue line....Just to see if they match, I don't have such a long level so it would be difficult to see, a laser will ping that line no probs in the same way your dark blue line did.
I understand a bit more of what you're all saying here...
Anyway....To everyone, thanks for replying. But thanks CR for MAKING SENSE!!!
Hopefully this works...:mad2:
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