Sand And Cement As Adhesive?

[One Day]

Gary - why was Beko-tec drain matting specc'd there? And was it on top of Troba-plus?
Just curious!

 

[Spud]

I wanted to protect the installation from frost damage

 

[stephenoneill]

here in france and im sure mainland europe sand cement screed is the norm .directly after posing the screed portland cement is thrown on tge floor and tiles laid straight after .first time I seen that been done I thaught I was in the middle ages but it is very common here almost all houses are done this way.it is very messy annoying to do .but the local tilers love it .not for me .but it does work.and has worked for centuries.

 

[jonnyc]

I used to fix all the reclaimed stone and terracotta floors in a mix of plastering sand cement and flex adhesive . Still do some now . When fixing stone of quite varying thickness and when not having enough depth to do sand / cement only . I mix half a bag flex adhesive half bag white cement and 3 bags plaster sand .the flex adhesive in mix allows you to work stone into quite a wet bed and can get down from 20mm bed to 7mm easily . Apply skin of flex adhesive to screed and to back of tile and makes a good mortar sandwich . I have discussed this method with a few chemists at different adhesive manufacturers and none will guarantee mixing their adhesive in this way but they do say no reason it won't work .also used to use this method on bad screeds laying new limedtone but you have to be careful of bleeding organic matter etc coming up through stone

 

[Tile Marble Granite]

It's called old school tiling, I use this method a lot, learned it in US, it's called '' Jersey Job'' if I am not mistaken, there's lots of skills involved as well. It's kind of hard to see in these pictures the portland /cement, sharp sand but this job is done the ''Jersey Way". Use it especially for large stone installation. I am the old school from head to toe, LOL.

Jersey Way. Works a lot better than the adhesive does. Loving it!

 

[Old Mod]

It's called old school tiling, I use this method a lot, learned it in US, it's called '' Jersey Job'' if I am not mistaken, there's lots of skills involved as well. It's kind of hard to see in these pictures the portland /cement, sharp sand but this job is done the ''Jersey Way". Use it especially for large stone installation. I am the old school from head to toe, LOL.
Jersey Way. Works a lot better than the adhesive does. Loving it!

Well perhaps you could impart your knowledge with the forum then @detroitMi and do a thread for us?
I'm sure there would be a lot of interest.

 

[Diggy]

Sand and cement fixing = proper tilers,how many on here can do it ? Remember we can use adhesive but can you fix tiles with s&c

I can , learnt it right at the begining of my career as modern adhesives were starting to come in. A skill I'm glad I paid attention too , as I've used it a handful of times to some smaller jobs , quarry tiles mainly. Turned up on one job about 15 yrs ago to tile an outside porch , the concrete sub looked like it had been laid by Mr S.Wonder . There was S&C in the back of the blokes truck so did it with that ( 8" Quarries , lovely size and sorely missed ) , came up mint . Of course its other advantage is you create falls as you go and install gulleys.
For the OP , building paper used to be put down as a form of movement layer ( mainly for larger installs like communal shower areas etc ) , never did sand myself.

Still a top method of fixing imho , in the right situation.

Brief method. Semi wet screed , trowel up some moisture/fat , sieve on neat cement , trowel over , lay on tiles , sprinkle over dry S&C and gently brush into joints ( this not only grouts the tiles but also stops them wandering too much when beating ), sprinkle on a little water , beat down with beating blocks ( 4x2x15 for 6" quarries ) ,align , clean off , grout whats left to fill when set ( sometimes joints are full depending on size of joint , so final grout may not be needed )

Works for me , been a while tho'

Diggy :0)

 

[Spud]

you can do wall tiling with sand and cement too there are several different methods thin and thick bedding
here is the thick bed or hand fixing method as it is sometimes called

 

[White Room]

you can do wall tiling with sand and cement too there are several different methods thin and thick bedding
here is the thick bed or hand fixing method as it is sometimes called

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What would that room be used for Gary for the tiles to be fix with s/c or was it just a preference.

 

[Spud]

What would that room be used for Gary for the tiles to be fix with s/c or was just a preference.

laundry room in an old peoples home , plasterers left the walls in scratch coat so I decided to fit the tiles the old fashioned way , hadnt done it for several years so wanted a bit of practice