Van speed limits

[grumpygrouter]

Found out today that a friend of mine is in danger of losing his licence for driving the company van (Citroen Relay) at 57mph on a normal single carriageway road!

Apparantly, the speed limit for vans is not the same as for cars. This is something I didn't know.

For all you drivers of Non-car derived vans, please be aware and take adequate precautions against getting nicked!

Department for Transport - Clarification of national speed limits for vans

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[Gazzer]

I have known about that for years but never known it to be enforced.

 

[Fekin]

Must say it's news to me :huh2:

 

[sibs]

Thanks grumps I have a class 2 lisence and I didn't know that

 

[Perry]

thanks 4 that grumps and can u do anything about lowering corporation tax lol ete

 

[grumpygrouter]

thanks 4 that grumps and can u do anything about lowering corporation tax lol ete

What, yours or the legislation?

 

[cornish_crofter]

This is really silly.

It's a hangover from when the non car derived vans were completely different to drive from cars and car derived vans.

Now, there is absolutely no need for this legislation. To think someone could lose their livelihood over this outdated legislation absolutely disgusts me:mad2::mad2:

The other issue that we should all be aware of is van derived cars suffer the same limits as vans. That includes anyone in a Merc V class, VW transporter camper van, or similar, the Transit variant (not the Galaxy) plus a load of others that I can't think of right now. It also includes those small Citroen vans that are also sold as a cheap estate car!

In fact if it started out on the production line as a van, you're stuffed if your clocked doing 60 on the wrong road!

 

[DHTiling]

The larger vans like ...Transits: relays : sprinters : all come under this speed law....but the smaller vans that do not exceed 2 tonnes laden weight don't...

So vans like astras : fiestas : escorts : scudos etc will be fine...

 

[cornish_crofter]

Dave, unfortunatly it's not that simple

Car, max 60mph - Mondeo, Astra etc Land Rover Discovery (unladen weight 2 tonnes)

Van, max 50mph - Transit, Trafic, Sprinter, Vito etc

Car derived van max 60mph - Astra van, Escort Van, Corsa Van etc Land Rover Discovery Commercial (2 tonnes unladen weight)

Van derived car max 50mph - Citroen Berlingo - YES Berlingo 5 seater car (derived from the small citroen van) , same weight as a Vauxhall Astra and about twice as slow. Anything that could be derived from the Ford Transit Connect. etc

...so do you see the stupidity of it:lol::lol::lol:

There was someone on the Honest John forums a while ago driving his Citroen Berlingo (car) who got done for driving above 50 on a national speed limit road.

 

[CLAYS TILES]

only hgv come under the law,they was thinking of reducing 7half tonne lorries being reduced down!
vans are still classed as 3 tonne or under & is not restricted!

 

[CLAYS TILES]

i might be wrong....................
Department for Transport - Clarification of national speed limits for vans

 

[cornish_crofter]

Clays, it seems to be centered around the 2 tonne gross weight and the fact that a van may not be derived from a car.

There is one (small) group of vans which have the same speed limits are cars by virtue of the definitions in Schedule 6 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act of 1984. These are vans that are both derived from a car chassis and also have a maximum laden weight of no more than 2 tonnes. This means that the weight of the vehicle and the payload it is designed to be able to carry when added together do not exceed 2 tonnes. The van design must be a derivative of a car body, it is not sufficient that it looks similar to a particular car.

 

[cornish_crofter]

i might be wrong....................
Department for Transport - Clarification of national speed limits for vans

oops, we both posted together :lol:

 

[White Room]

I've got a Transit and had no idea about this and bet theres plenty of other van drivers who did'nt either

 

[Perry]

What, yours or the legislation?

he he my wifes lol

 

[Highlander]

My cousin is a copper and works in the Traffic Police and when I asked him about the vans as I have a Kangoo he said limit on normal road is 60mph the Traffic I had was 50mph. However they very rarely pulled anyone over in a Traffic or Transit size van for traveling at 60mph same as they rarely pull over HGV 1 drivers for traveling at 50mph on a normal road when they should be doing 40mph.

Gary

 

[brian c]

CHEERS FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FORE RUSS,i have an escort van and wasnt aware of this ruling soi i will take heid.

 

[Mark B]

Shortly after getting my van (VW Transporter) I was stopped as part of an excercise by the West Sussex police to check that van driver knew about the applicable speed limits for good vehicles. They were handing out stickers to reminder you

Mark

 

[CLAYS TILES]

My cousin is a copper and works in the Traffic Police and when I asked him about the vans as I have a Kangoo he said limit on normal road is 60mph the Traffic I had was 50mph. However they very rarely pulled anyone over in a Traffic or Transit size van for traveling at 60mph same as they rarely pull over HGV 1 drivers for traveling at 50mph on a normal road when they should be doing 40mph.

Gary

we're to clever to get caught thats why they neva pull us over!:lol:

 

[Bolter]

So what gives? I have a Transit Connect LWB High roof.

That sticker suggests I can drive as normal? Or not? :huh2:

:driving:

 

[Grace'sDad]

Thanks for pointing this out, I had NO idea!

I reckon though that if you are driving "sensibly" then you aren't likely to be pulled over. If your van is not an absolute bucket then the police are unlikely to want the paperwork.

 

[TilingLogistics]

I have overtaken Cop cars on these roads and never been pulled. I had no idea this law even existed and I saw this very useful post earlier this week whilst I was away working in Bath.

The first thing I did when i got home tonight was ask my wife (Driving Instructor) What would be the quickest you would be allowed to drive my van on a single or dual carriageway road with a National Speed Limit sign and her answer was 60 and 70 so she didn't know either:huh2:

Kev

 

[Mark B]

Shortly after getting my van (VW Transporter) I was stopped as part of an excercise by the West Sussex police to check that van driver knew about the applicable speed limits for good vehicles. They were handing out stickers to reminder you

Mark
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So what gives? I have a Transit Connect LWB High roof.

That sticker suggests I can drive as normal? Or not? :huh2:

:driving:

The sticker I was given would suggest that the reduced speed limits are applicable for all goods vehicles under 3.5t.

Having read the info on the DFT link ( Department for Transport - Clarification of national speed limits for vans )

It seems that the limits apply to all vans apart from car derived vans. The paragraph below is straight off the DFT website (already quoted by Cornish Crofter)

Q. Are there any exemptions from these lower speed limits for vans?

A. There is one (small) group of vans which have the same speed limits are cars by virtue of the definitions in Schedule 6 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act of 1984. These are vans that are both derived from a car chassis and also have a maximum laden weight of no more than 2 tonnes. This means that the weight of the vehicle and the payload it is designed to be able to carry when added together do not exceed 2 tonnes. The van design must be a derivative of a car body, it is not sufficient that it looks similar to a particular car.

Mark

 

[Eddie]

Idrive a Citroen Dispatch, a local trafic cop informed me the speed limits for my van are, motorway,70. dual carrageway,60. national speed limit road,50. It's not the police we have to watch for, it's the mobile cameras. If the opperator knows the law, he will do you!

 

[peterhouse]

excuse daft question wat is derived vechile, mean?