no personal attack from me no names mentioned,tiling courses are a waste of time and money but that is my opinion ,a good debate is healthy for a forum, it is just when people post stupid things about people being quiet so as to being quiet should be questioned thaqt gets my goat,we all go through quiet periods and that does not mean that you should have to have your credentials checked,i dont have no portfolio,iused to have but now i look at it as if you dont think i am good enough to work in your house or on your job ,then i would sooner not be dooing work for you anyway, my motto dont pay me if you are not happy ,and i am not owed any money ,rant over,im out