Dot & Dab travertine?

[LM Ceramics]

is this the longest thread in the tilersforums history 14 pages

 

[DHTiling]

Grumpy i am with you on keeping peeps on the straight and narrow but we do not police posts to death..if we altered every post that was wrong info then we would not need replys to correct it...don't you agree.

We are glad you take an interest in making sure things are done right as I and many members do.

My point is that THIS forum tries to rise above the others......

I like you have been in this trade for a lot of years and have back butter fixed tiles to certain substrates ..... the point i personally made in this thread is that spot fixing is not acceptable....bedding tiles IS with the appropiate adhesives..you must have to agree with this grumpy....

This is the type of thread that a lot of new comers can learn from.....

I personally hope you continue to contribute however small it is to these forums but please do not down grade the work being done here to help the community......

Enough said grumps and i thank you for your input.........

 

[oogabooga]

Seems to be a serious degree of "groupthink" going on here, categorically stating that spotfixing is dangerous etc is nonsense. Even though your British Standards frown upon the practice, it definitely has it's place if done correctly (with cement based adhesive that is - hate that mastic crap)

Now having viewed the photos provided, I would not be happy with that amount of coverage - too little in my opinion. In a perfect situation you wouldn't have to spot fix tiles, however customers aren't always willing to pay to render walls plumb, and rarely are walls truly plumb and flat. When done right the spotting method uses more adhesive than the notched trowel, not less, but means it is easier to plumb the wall (say 8 to 10mm top to bottom) because the blobs should squash out to fill the voids. Think about it this way, if you were to cover the back of the tile completely with a notched trowel, and every trowelled ridge were to come into contact with the wall, you're probably only getting 55% to 70% total adhesive coverage anyway - you still have the valleys between the ridges. The goal is to eliminate lippage, or plumb a wall that is slightly off, not to save money by using less adhesive.

Now having said the above, I'm not defending the tiler in this particular case - the lack of a membrane in a shower and around the tub area seems pretty daft to me - nor am I saying that one should use a method contrary to your country's standards - I merely point out that the technique has merit and will perform just as well as the notched method, but only if done right.

 

[spanky]

I did pay to have all the walls taken back to brickwork then fully dry lined?

 

[The D]

As pacman said “There is a world of difference between bedding a tile out with a bit of extra adhesive to get over imperfections in the wall and doting and dabbing.” There should be no argument even the adhesive manufacturers say its wrong so why are you still trying to justify it.

 

[White Room]

I,m not going to say to much just that I would have rendered the walls with sand and cement for the tiling, A totaly ignored material nowadays for heavy tiles. It,s so easy to say that after the event. The last couple of days probably have been highly stressfull for you spanky and wish you a speedy result

 

[spanky]

I think the likely hood of that is pretty slim.

 

[enduro]

I think enough has been said on this subject, can we close this thread now. :yawn:

 

[spanky]

If you do that no-one will find out what happened, better to keep it all together?

Gives someone else advice if it happens to them?

 

[DHTiling]

Don't worry tony we will not close it...........

I for one want to see where you go with this..........Sorry you have had to deal with some thread hijacking but we need to see this to the end........

Good luck.....

 

[White Room]

This is what a forum is about, The views of many and the education of some

 

[enduro]

I want to see it to the end, but to many people saying dot and dab is ok and everybody falling out, so let see what happens. didnt mean to say i was getting bored with this thread im finding it very interesting but i think enough has been said about this subject for now and i hope spanky gets the result he wants.

 

[sibs]

So....what is the correct way to spot fix? Would love to find out the correct method from the "if done correctly" brigade because its all very well saying it is ok "if done correctly" but you don't tell us what correctly is. Would it then give the grout something to stick to besides the two tiles it is in between? And would it better protect the untanked plasterboard in the same way that full coverage would, given that an untanked shower area is not the ideal? Also forgive me but if you trowel ridges of adhesive onto a tile and then push it onto the wall wouldn't that squash the adhesive into the valleys thus eliminating them and givingfull coverage?

 

[spanky]

Reading that last post has made me rethink an idea that may negat the need to remove all the tile?

Is it possible to inject adhesive through the grout gaps behind the tiles?

If it is possible, how, who, etc etc

Seems feasible?

Could save £3000 worth of work?

 

[sibs]

nice thought spanky but how would you do it? Cement based adhesive is pretty thick stuff it would have to be quite pressurised wouldn't it?