fast tiling

[Peter]

Makes me laugh/cry when I think back to a school we were doing when I was a 3rd year apprentice. Was just getting to grips with the tiling so the boss threw me into the big open changing rooms with no obstacles and long runs. Probably about 300m of walls in all. I thought at the time he was just doing it to get me some good experience, but it's only now that I can see he was more shrewd than that. He had me doing about 25m2 of 8x8 Cinca per day and was paying me £150 a week. The second year apprentice on £70 a week was following doing the grouting. Nice wee earner for the boss, who was also there banging up 30ish+ a day. :incazzato::yikes:

 

[Qwerty]

People like to dish it out but they get all upset when they get a bit back LOL

having a a go at someone with Dyslexia about there spelling makes you a real man thogh.

this tread was started as an argument but some of you are as slow as your tiling

if you think I am out of order good I am and I am just as out of order as the people slating a tiler they have never met and know nothing about.

Deano, you truly are a very talented tiler...... I even said as such in the very first reply post in this thread!
But why you set out to try to start arguments is beyond me I'm afraid. I suggest if you have an issue with any member of this forum from this or other posts that you raise this in a diplomatic and timely manner. Starting a post with the sole intention of creating an argument spilling over from old threads is the exact thing that people have been trying hard to stop recently. Keep it civil and personal digs out please. Having a sense of and injecting some humour (of which mine you have clearly misunderstood despite smiley faces galore) into the forum is why many people still enjoy it here.

 

[The D]

Was it diplomatic or timely for mods and members to try and ridicule another member and his Gaffer in the open forum ?? Or was that just a bit of fun because it was not directed at you lot ?? At least I started a new thread in the arms to give you a bit back.

 

[Qwerty]

:huh2:
Apologies, what are you referring to?

 

[TJ Smiler]

my speed has improved loads over the last couple of years without the standard of my finish dropping, personally i don't think that speed means rubbish, down here there is quiet a well known tiler in our little area (nic name of 'mad mick') Whitebeam possibly could have herd of him too lovely bloke but i'm sure he was born on speed, travels around with all his tools on the back of a scooter and he is 100 mph CONSTANTLY! He would have done what Deano has done in a day 'on his own' and his finish is fine...... so when i see 36m2 done in one day by a tiler and a lad i am very impressed as i can't do it that fast and if i'm honest also a touch envious and even a bit angry! but i never think that because it has been done so quick that it means the end result is going to be bad, speed comes with practice.

3 bed house bathroom, tiling only used to take me over a week years ago, it now takes me on average about 2/3 days and the standard is much MUCH better than it used to be too.

Deano's job, me with a lad would probably take me 3 days. Wish i could do it faster and i'm always striving to speed up cos for me i just want the money and move on to the next job.

 

[Andy Allen]

imo any tiler that's been tiling for 30 plus years should be able to tile that in a day.

im a lot like brian ...brain say's yes, body say's no..

I could do it as a one off, but not day in day out....it would end up killing me, which is the main reason I packed in site work...

 

[AliGage]

I cannot believe that this has escalated into such a bitchfest.
I suppose in a way i started this. I did have a motive and there IS and underlying reason behind my comments.
Ridiculed for Ash and (cant be bothered going looking for the post but.... ) his gaffer knocking out 38m, they werent. I dont think anyone was "ridiculed" in that post.
We all complain about builders, cowboys etc etc. Ash has been tiling for all of 5 minutes. Are we suggesting that he should be able to knock that sort of coverage out in a day? If he does then do we think that he has the experience to apply both speed and accuracy to his work? I would argue no. And thats not just because its Ash.

Its almost comical that the same people that would complain about course tilers are supporting "bash it out" attitude to someone that isnt even a course tiler. Its nothing short of ludicrous in my opinion. Care, finesse and attention to detail are all vitally important traits i feel in our industry. Traits that should take presidence over speed and profit.
Yes a tiler of some 30 years can probably get it done. I personally hate working when i feel rushed. Believe it or not i like my job and trade and this will continue to be the case all the while i apply my own attitude towards my work and continue to enjoy it.

So ill ask the question. 38sqm fixed in a day. Is this something that a tiler at apprentice level should be achieving? Or aiming towards? Is quantity at this level more important than quality?

On a personal level i wouldnt know if i could cover that floor in the same time frame Deano has. To be completely honest it doesnt look very complex in layout. Nothing too awkward to navigate. But id sooner not. I mean what would you charge then? £20psm? So were saying £700+ per day!? I couldnt justify that to a customer. Maybe speedy residential work like that might encourage cheaper pricing. We've all complained about that havent we? Couple cheap pricing and inexeperience together do we not get the other bug bear? Poor finish. Cowboy builders blah blah blah.

If you think about it in a way youre shooting yourselves in both feet.

If you can do it with experience then thats fannastic. Without complaint, awesome!
Setting the bar there for apprentice tilers is nothing short of industry destruction and stupid. IMO

 

[Ian]

This is the perfect example of everything I hate about this forum recently. Why do people feel the need to purposely start arguments? It's quite simply trolling. There's a big difference between having a heated discussion and trolling for a reaction.

 

[Ian]

Just in case anyone reads that wrong, this isn't directed at any individuals, just the thread as a whole.

 

[The D]

Ash did not say he did it did he. It was his gaffer and why do you think that you can't have attention to detailed and all the rest of it and do that amount in a day.

 

[The D]

This is the perfect example of everything I hate about this forum recently. Why do people feel the need to purposely start arguments? It's quite simply trolling. There's a big difference between having a heated discussion and trolling for a reaction.

if you think I am Trolling then ban me!

 

[Dougs Third Go]

I think the thread title says it all "fast tiling", to my mind it is fast, certainly faster than I could manage. I think Dean is on top of his game and working very efficiently, surely that's to be applauded.

 

[Ian]

if you think I am Trolling then ban me!

Why is that what this is all about? You want to get banned from an online forum?

 

[Qwerty]

I think the thread title says it all "fast tiling", to my mind it is fast, certainly faster than I could manage. I think Dean is on top of his game and working very efficiently, surely that's to be applauded.

Couldnt agree more Doug.


My issue Deano was that you were quoting "my" work ethics, replying to "my" posts and being openly proud of causing upset.


I now understand that the underlying issue WAS with others (I think). I never slated fast tiling, but added some tongue in cheek humour to lighten the atmosphere. Even this got flipped around to try to start an argument. I have now read through the entire "DIY bathroom" thread which created this monster. In there
Deano you are partial to "mocking" Ash about his speed, but he took it as a joke (which I assume you meant it to be).........

so you finished at breakfast then

Sadly it is one of those threads which was clearly created to end this way. As [MENTION=22801]Bri[/MENTION] said posting of this nature is tantamount to trolling and [MENTION=33317]AliGage[/MENTION] thankyou for shedding some light on how this thread has come to be in existence....I think it may have been your "yeeeeeeah" comment that started it.


I love a good discussion as much as the next tiler, but WILL stand up for myself and others when directly targeted Deano. You stated how much you get the hump when slow tilers slate fast tilers yet you refuse to acknowledge that people take offence at you slating how slow they are. To me arrogance really is a repulsive character trait.


If you haven't got a sound basis for your argument, then don't enter into one. In order for any argument to be valid the conclusion must follow logically from the basis and it has to be a non-fallacious logical form.....the exact opposite of your approach.

 

[Diggy]

Getting back to the point , and on a more serious note.

Deano , can I assume the floor was pretty flat? , as I can't see any 'adhesive squeeze' between the joints so it must have dropped in sweet as a nut.

Nice job.

Diggy