Should We Used Old Methods For Todays Problems

[Just Rizzle]

drying times seem to be a real issue with todays tilers and modern day addys
my first years in tilling we never mixed any adhesives it was all done in sand and cement screeds ive been back to some of the jobs we did years ago and there still there 33 yrs on.
going to see a guy tomorrow whos having a conservatory built with ufh wants to be able to use end of july for his daughters wedding its 33 sq mtrs and the roofs going on tomorrow and the ufh is being layed next week hes picked a jura limestone 600by 300 15 mm tile this would be a perfect job for the old method don't you think?

 

[Dougs Third Go]

drying times seem to be a real issue with todays tilers and modern day addys
my first years in tilling we never mixed any adhesives it was all done in sand and cement screeds ive been back to some of the jobs we did years ago and there still there 33 yrs on.
going to see a guy tomorrow whos having a conservatory built with ufh wants to be able to use end of july for his daughters wedding its 33 sq mtrs and the roofs going on tomorrow and the ufh is being layed next week hes picked a jura limestone 600by 300 15 mm tile this would be a perfect job for the old method don't you think?

30 years ago though Ray we didn't have ufh, green screed addy and de-coupling would be the way to go now surely?

 

[WetSaw]

I thought the Romans had ufh 2000 years ago!

 

[Dougs Third Go]

yes pdc, but with an entirely different interface, sand was used as a de-coupling membrane, concrete screeds weren't invented until the 1900's,,

 

[Just Rizzle]

have you never been to rome the Parthenon has a concrete dome 2000 yrs ago the romans built every thing using concrete
yes sand is used as a decoupling membrain put a layer down first. to give the screed strength a galvenised wire used to be incorporated in the screed
what im saying is has a lot of the old skills some of us have, are been lost through easy fix products.

 

[widler]

I don't think you can compare the roman ufh system to the modern system , i think theres many differances, one being its steam or hot air the other being no plastic pipes or hot water heating and cooling down , also we have no idea on how long the left it to dry
Read up on them, 'hypocaust'
Good reads, i love the roman empire, way before there time same as the egyptians , i think aliens were involved

 

[Dan]

I don't think when he said old methods he meant Roman times lol

But hell yeah.

I still use a pin hammer and nippers to cut holes for sockets. Not because I can't use a drill or wet cutter, but because I can still do it.

Takes ages but it feels good.

It's crazy how times have changed really. House builders use a lot less brick and a whole load of wood and plasterboard. And they're in and out. Then because of that every other trade has to get umpteen suppliers products in just to make it worthy to live in.

Sometimes the old ways are the simple and strong ways. The house I live in now was built in 1780ish and it's had a rewire and lots of decorating over the years but it's waaaaay more solid than the new builds down the road that'll need almost rebuilding every 30 or so years as the stud walls get weak and nothing can be fixed to them.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I don't think when he said old methods he meant Roman times lol

But hell yeah.

I still use a pin hammer and nippers to cut holes for sockets. Not because I can't use a drill or wet cutter, but because I can still do it.

Takes ages but it feels good.

It's crazy how times have changed really. House builders use a lot less brick and a whole load of wood and plasterboard. And they're in and out. Then because of that every other trade has to get umpteen suppliers products in just to make it worthy to live in.

Sometimes the old ways are the simple and strong ways. The house I live in now was built in 1780ish and it's had a rewire and lots of decorating over the years but it's waaaaay more solid than the new builds down the road that'll need almost rebuilding every 30 or so years as the stud walls get weak and nothing can be fixed to them.

Anyone who read my post "the time capsule that never was" that pool was tiled in sand and cement (floated coat) done in 1974 - 40 yrs ago. Still solid as a rock. As for the old saying Rome wasn't built in a day. I was not on that job. lol

 

[Just Rizzle]

I don't think you can compare the roman ufh system to the modern system , i think theres many differances, one being its steam or hot air the other being no plastic pipes or hot water heating and cooling down , also we have no idea on how long the left it to dry
Read up on them, 'hypocaust'
Good reads, i love the roman empire, way before there time same as the egyptians , i think aliens were involved

its only in the last 30 odd years that things in the tiling game have very rapidly changed. in my view not always for the better . decoupling was used by the use of alayer of sand upon which we layed tarpaulin then a semi dry screed in that we some times mixed good old horse hair to bind and give strength . the tiles were soaked over night in water and slurry bedded in the screed. the floors were grouted the following day and ready to use practically straight away.
now its cant lay till my screed meter says so computer says no.

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

well having tiled over wet under floor heating with sand and cement laying the tiles as i go straight into the wet sand and cement over 12 years ago the floors never failed kitchen fitted four days latter
i think we have gone backwards screed fix tiles into screed one day grout next two days later they fit kitchen 3days come back tile spashbacks 1 day finshed 8 days finnished./ today float screed wait 60 days to dry out test floor still not dry as its been raining and damp out side wait anther 14 days test again ok ready to tile but still to commission the heating anther 10 days go by 1 day sanding floor cleaning up 1 day prime wait to dry 1 day putting down the decouplar 1day tile 1 day grout fit kitchen 3 days 1 day tile splash back

so 12 years later we have turned an 8 day job completed in to a 93 day job completed
may be 12 years from now it might just take 186 days now thats real progress😕