Should We Used Old Methods For Todays Problems

[Just Rizzle]

There is a lot to be said for some of the "old ways" from a construction point of view the Victorians had some great ways of. Sbuilding but we want to build faster and cheaper nowadays and of course we seem to have this love affair witportland cement which doesn't really help IMO.

but are we building faster if we have to weight 1day for every mill that the screed is thick when once over we could screed and tile and use in a week

 

[Just Rizzle]

Perhaps we should talk about getting some training in place for tilers fixing your tiles. I've done that with a number of adhesive companies before.

your not getting it the industry has been taken over by the big shedds making fortunes out of modern addys and the industry is getting ripped off
was in morocco 3 weeks ago and was watching a couple of guys working on a the tiles around a swimming pool which addy do you think they were using.
answer none
they were fixing in good old sand and cement and grouting in the same .

 

[Spare Tool]

well having tiled over wet under floor heating with sand and cement laying the tiles as i go straight into the wet sand and cement over 12 years ago the floors never failed kitchen fitted four days latter
i think we have gone backwards screed fix tiles into screed one day grout next two days later they fit kitchen 3days come back tile spashbacks 1 day finshed 8 days finnished./ today float screed wait 60 days to dry out test floor still not dry as its been raining and damp out side wait anther 14 days test again ok ready to tile but still to commission the heating anther 10 days go by 1 day sanding floor cleaning up 1 day prime wait to dry 1 day putting down the decouplar 1day tile 1 day grout fit kitchen 3 days 1 day tile splash back

so 12 years later we have turned an 8 day job completed in to a 93 day job completed
may be 12 years from now it might just take 186 days now thats real progress😕

Far as I'm aware some wet UFH systems don,t need a 70mm screed over them, after testing they can have 10mm of fibre leveller over them, leave overnight then ditra and tile with flexi rapid set day after, can be grouted 3 hours after that.
I'm a new school tiler as only been at this 9 years so not picking holes in old methods i haven't ever used and unable to comment on but in my book that is progress

 

[Just Rizzle]

Far as I'm aware some wet UFH systems don,t need a 70mm screed over them, after testing they can have 10mm of fibre leveller over them, leave overnight then ditra and tile with flexi rapid set day after, can be grouted 3 hours after that.
I'm a new school tiler as only been at this 9 years so not picking holes in old methods i haven't ever used and unable to comment on but in my book that is progress

yes that could be done but your then a slave to the tile sheds would probably cost 20x what it could cost if done in sand and cement .itis the cost of all these materials needed to do it your way that im getting at .

 

[Spare Tool]

yes that could be done but your then a slave to the tile sheds would probably cost 20x what it could cost if done in sand and cement .itis the cost of all these materials needed to do it your way that im getting at .

I understand what your getting at Ray, like I say never used S&C for fixing tiles, when I started bagged addy was and still is for me the way and the price of it is what it is. Can't recall ever picking up a bag of cement and it states it can be used for fixing tiles to a wood or plasterboard substrate. I know this particular job hasn't got those issues but that's what modern flexible adhesives and uncoupling were invented for.
At a guess your customers daughters wedding probably won't be cheap either...imagine how happy she'll be doing the first dance on her dads lovely warm newly tiled floor regardless of the few hundred extra quid it cost to get it completed in time..just reread your first post and if the screed done next week you might just be able to finish sealing tiles on the morning of the wedding. Do it the new way and it'll be done and dusted before the Stagg do 🙂

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

Far as I'm aware some wet UFH systems don,t need a 70mm screed over them, after testing they can have 10mm of fibre leveller over them, leave overnight then ditra and tile with flexi rapid set day after, can be grouted 3 hours after that.
I'm a new school tiler as only been at this 9 years so not picking holes in old methods i haven't ever used and unable to comment on but in my book that is progress

so its no quicker then .50mm is plenty 35 mm with ronafix run through the screed .
have you used your method or know any tilers that have .
or is this from ufh systems fixers .

 

[Just Rizzle]

I understand what your getting at Ray, like I say never used S&C for fixing tiles, when I started bagged addy was and still is for me the way and the price of it is what it is. Can't recall ever picking up a bag of cement and it states it can be used for fixing tiles to a wood or plasterboard substrate. I know this particular job hasn't got those issues but that's what modern flexible adhesives and uncoupling were invented for.
At a guess your customers daughters wedding probably won't be cheap either...imagine how happy she'll be doing the first dance on her dads lovely warm newly tiled floor regardless of the few hundred extra quid it cost to get it completed in time..just reread your first post and if the screed done next week you might just be able to finish sealing tiles on the morning of the wedding. Do it the new way and it'll be done and dusted before the Stagg do 🙂

 

[Spare Tool]

The wet systems I'm referring to are the type that use an overlayed board that the pipes slot into grooves cut in the boards and yes Ray I have used this method on them, quite a few times..it was webber technical that put me onto it. Not the UFH system manufacturers who IMO seem to think that you can just stick tiles to anything. I started a thread about a month ago on and if I remember correctly think it was Bri that also uses this method to cover the pipe work..

 

[Just Rizzle]

from start to finish its a 3 day job for me and my son
hes never done a floor this way so want to do it to show him how easy it can be .if the guy puts a anhydrite leveller down hes pushing it to have it ready by july 25th
ive give him a price ,and can fit him in end june and saving him money and stress hes already had a 7 week delay with his conservatory and the money I can save him will probably pay for the drinks bill

 

[Just Rizzle]

The wet systems I'm referring to are the type that use an overlayed board that the pipes slot into grooves cut in the boards and yes Ray I have used this method on them, quite a few times..it was webber technical that put me onto it. Not the UFH system manufacturers who IMO seem to think that you can just stick tiles to anything. I started a thread about a month ago on and if I remember correctly think it was Bri that also uses this method to cover the pipe work..

didn't you say the leveller was going to cost £1500 or was that some one else